Windows 10

juju

Just to inform you...

it seems that these Win 7 updates add some of the Win 10 spy functionality to Win 7 and 8
KB3068708
KB3044374
KB3035583
KB3022345
KB3021917
KB2990214
KB2952664

especially KB3068708

To avoid this, do not install them. Or you can remove them if they are already installed.

http://1techlife.blogspot.de/2015/08/windows-7881-might-get-telemetry.html
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/17/how-to-remove-windows-10-upgrade-updates-in-windows-7-and-8/

thank you

maddafakkas

numerobis

30 Ways Your Windows 10 Computer Phones Home to Microsoft
http://www.howtogeek.com/224616/30-ways-windows-10-phones-home/

kaas

@aerilius said:

...Both Layout and SketchUp (6 years) work well for me for daily use...

Are you actually saying here you have both SketchUp and LayOut running without any problems on Linux?

Aerilius

@numerobis said:

30 Ways Your Windows 10 Computer Phones Home to Microsoft

One chooses what one likes… Choices can evolve or return to what one finds fits best. That's ok.

@kaas said:

Google-ing for 'SketchUp Layout Linux' results in quite some posts where people only can start SketchUp with ruby disabled AND Layout doesn't work at all etc…

Wine is a quickly moving target. What you find on the Internet about Wine is likely to be outdated (because the internet always keeps what it ever had). Most current info can be obtained by from someone who uses it, or by just trying out. The Ruby 2.0 interpreter (which was a problem only in 2014+), has been fixed now for almost a year. Both Layout and SketchUp (6 years) work well for me for daily use. For those who see this as an option, it is available.

However it's unlikely that SketchUp and Trimble ever change their platform strategy, because

the current SketchUp is a legacy application in maintenance mode, a multi-platform strategy would have required other technology decisions much earlier
there are too many M** fanboys in the SketchUp team
platform pluralism and vendor independence play a higher role in european and many non-US countries (Brazil!), which lead to alternatives reach some relevance there (home computers, administrations, schools). Although Trimble once had a series of field computers based on Linux, they are however a rather traditional company and just exploring growing to outside the United States.
It's likely the world and technology changes faster (and turns this demand irrelevant) than that this demand will be met anytime soon. Looking forward to what SketchUp brings in the future!

Aerilius

I don't use LayOut much, but I can create pages and insert models, annotate, double-click to change the 3d view like in SketchUp, export dwg, pdf, etc. (But it wasn't very stable 1–2 years ago.) The 32bit versions install straight-forward, but the 64bit versions of both are a little tricky at installation.

kaas

Very interesting - I have played around a bit with Linux (Redhat, Suse & Ubuntu) 5+ years ago and decided back then it didn't meet my needs. Much has changed of course so maybe I will have to test again. I have some questions if I may:

You see any difference in performance between Win & Linux?
You have some more info / links about the tricky installing of the 64 bit versions?
Which Linux flavor are you using if I may ask?

Aerilius

I've been using Ubuntu (because it's elegant and relatively mainstream, most commercial software and games choose it as reference/supported platform. If Linux wasn't enough individualism, I'd maybe have chosen something more exotic). As a unix (like OS X) it is especially nice for (Ruby) programming which is a bit less integrated on Windows. And a small gem is that scrolling in SketchUp doesn't require a mouse-click into the viewport/component browser/etc. first.

I suppose the performance question is about SketchUp on both platforms. There is a little but for me not very noticeable tradeoff, but Wine is not a "real" emulator and not laggy like for example BlueStacks (Android), it is rather a (Windows) API that just passes calls through to the unix system.

Wine can mimic different Windows versions (and bitness) side by side. What I meant as tricky is that it defaults to a 32bit Windows where clicking a 64bit installer would fail obviously, and you have to tell it to mimic a 64bit environment. We are about to update the SketchUp sages pages soon and will include the exact steps.

kaas

Thanks for your reply. I was very curious so I tested a few live-cd's. Ubuntu (desktop for developers-edition) looked nice but was really slow compared to Debian. Maybe because it's a live cd?!
For now, I'm still looking for a way to start SketchUp64 in Wine. Will do some more searching and testing.

An update to the sages page would be great!

have a nice day.

Aerilius

CD drives are by several orders of magnitude the slowest part on a computer (most people use Live USB keys now). Everything that needs to be loaded from CD (boot, application start) will take some time until it's in RAM. This won't be on an installed system (actually file/disk operations and CPU tasks are a strength rather than GPU tasks).

But Live CDs/USBs are good for trying out. I wished Microsoft offered this for Windows 10, then people would (maybe) not anymore find out to late which software is not supported on a new/preview/beta system.

kaas

Sorry, my mistake. I did use a live USB. It's great indeed for trying out.