What are the rules...
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@krisidious said:
Some might call it stealing on both your part and the employees... others, including myself, would call it good customer service and a good customer retention act.
i think it would just be called incompetency on the part of the employee.. or, if the bosses knew the guy did that, he'd be reprimanded/fired for incompetency and not stealing.
maybe some would think i was also a thief in that circumstance but idk, if i were to actually steal an item from a store, my moral centers would trigger and i'd feel guilty.. in this case, i didn't feel guilt so in that regard, i personally wouldn't call it stealing on my part.
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@Frederik.
I'm just curious what software it is?
Am I missing out on something....
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@pixero said:
I'm just curious what software it is?
Am I missing out on something....No worries, Jan...
I don't think you'll be missing anything...
If I believed that someone here would benefit from this 40% discount, I'd tell you about it, but I believe that those interested in this kind of software are already aware... -
It's horoscope software... He plugins in dates and it tells him if the planets are aligned in the right house for him to model or not...
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Was it that obvious...?!?
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Frederik, was there a place in the email to click on that took you to their website, or did you just go to their website and then apply the discount code? I frequently get such emails - usually if you click on the banner in the email or a specified link, it takes you to a dedicated page on their website that explains the particulars of the discount.
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission rules state that contingent conditions and obligations of an offer must be set forth clearly and conspicuously at the outset of the offer. A lot of companies use "fine print" to do this, but technically that does not meet the FTC's rules.
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Based on the limited information provided in the OP, I would never have assumed the 30% discount applied on top of a transaction that included a 40% discount and that transaction had never been completed. It seems very clear that the 30% referred to the original item in the cart, not an item that had progressed from the cart to the checkout by clicking a "Buy" or "Purchase" button. I would have assumed that the company had changed the discount and were pushing the new discount to customers (for whatever reason). I think you got offered the new discount because you deferred your purchase. Certainly, the vendor is obligated to uphold its original discount to you, but not to increase the total discount (to 58%!!). Nowhere have I seen any evidence that says they offered a 58% discount. Can you provide that? Without the full text of the original email and the actual web page, the true context of this is murky to say the least. I found it odd that the OP has not provided that context. OP will not even reveal the product.
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@daniel said:
Frederik, was there a place in the email to click on that took you to their website
It was a "button" in the e-mail...
@frederik said:
I clicked the "Resume Order & Save 30%" button, but when I entered the coupon code I didn't get a 30% discount of the shopping cart total, but from the total price of the software package - hence an inferior deal compared to the 40% I got originally...
@daniel said:
usually if you click on the banner in the email or a specified link, it takes you to a dedicated page on their website that explains the particulars of the discount.
That's exactly what was missing...
@david. said:
Based on the limited information provided in the OP
Limited information...?!?
Please read again from the top... I'm sure there's something you've missed...
@david. said:
I would never have assumed the 30% discount applied on top of a transaction that included a 40% discount and that transaction had never been completed. It seems very clear that the 30% referred to the original item in the cart, not an item that had progressed from the cart to the checkout by clicking a "Buy" or "Purchase" button.
You're wrong...!!
@frederik said:
The next day, I got an email with the subject: Save 30% Off Your Order
The message in the email was very simple...
I could resume my order and redeem a 30% discount within the next 24 hours...The "funny" part here is, that you don't see the error they made, despite the fact that they have admitted that they made a huge mistake...!
@david. said:
Nowhere have I seen any evidence that says they offered a 58% discount.
What kind of lame argument is that...?!?
I've NEVER mentioned that they offered 58% discount...
However, they did give me a 40% discount and because I left the cart without checking out, I got a new email the next day saying Save 30% Off Your Order...@david. said:
Can you provide that? Without the full text of the original email and the actual web page, the true context of this is murky to say the least. I found it odd that the OP has not provided that context. OP will not even reveal the product.
I think it's time for you to move on, David...
Why should I expose the company...??
The original question had nothing to do with this specific vendor - it was a simple general question...
I got my questions answered, so why do you interfere now...??
Case is closed from my side many days ago...!Move on to something else you can complain about...
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you're the one that started complaining when you couldn't get the 58% discount instead of the 40% discount. The fact is that you haven't provided all the context. You presented your side, carefully worded to favor your assumption. Why should you "expose" the company? Why should you give the full email? Give me a break. If someone disagrees with you and asks for more context it's "interfering". That shows the weakness of your position. I think you should have moved on rather than start a internet debate.
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@david. said:
you're the one that started complaining when you couldn't get the 58% discount instead of the 40% discount.
Sorry, what...??
Where did I complain...??
There are several parts you've missed... Please read it again...!As the subject of this thread says, I asked "What are the rules..."
Can't see that being a complain...@frederik said:
They even had a great offer because of the approaching Holiday season - 40% discount - which certainly is a great offer...
...and further down in the first post I wrote...
I can't say that I'm disappointed, cause the Holidays offer is a really nice offer - no doubt...
However, after some more thinking, I asked a friend of mine who deals with legal stuff and he told me that if this had been in Europe, I would be able to claim the additional 30% discount...
Unfortunately he wasn't sure if the same rules apply in the US......or should I just leave it and be happy with the 40% and complete the order by the end of December...?!?
@david. said:
The fact is that you haven't provided all the context. You presented your side, carefully worded to favor your assumption.
What...???
@frederik said:
Nevertheless, I think I will just leave it and stay happy with the discount I already got...
I don't want to be greedy, but if I was entitled to an additional discount, hey, why shouldn't I go for it...
@david. said:
Why should you "expose" the company? Why should you give the full email? Give me a break.
I still can't see why I should expose the company and although you might see tons of reasons, I'm not going to, cause this isn't about the company itself, but about what people in general are entitled to...!
However, to satisfy your second request, I've now attached a screen-dump of the email...
Yes - I've blurred out the parts, where the company name is exposed...Happy now...?!?
@david. said:
If someone disagrees with you and asks for more context it's "interfering". That shows the weakness of your position.
Jesus... Please go get a prozac or something...
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I can see where that would appear misleading, since it refers to the previous order which already had a discount, and resuming that order. However, it doesn't say an "additional" 30% off.
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And we are talking about America where people need to be told that coffee is hot and may cause severe burns if used for tea bagging.
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it says 30% off your order... if your order was to be a certain amount, which most people watch closely.... Why would you not think it was going to be 30% off that order amount? especially for a non-tangible product like software, that is never out of stock?
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Frederik, I think you should get Jeff Hammond to do the negotiating for you.
By now, you'd have got it for free and probably a free coffee to go with it...!!
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@gareth said:
Frederik, I think you should get Jeff Hammond to do the negotiating for you.
By now, you'd have got it for free and probably a free coffee to go with it...!!
lmao... would it be stealing if I broke both your knees while I waited?
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@gareth said:
Frederik, I think you should get Jeff Hammond to do the negotiating for you.
By now, you'd have got it for free and probably a free coffee to go with it...!!
it's called "charm".. not "negotiating"
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@box said:
And we are talking about America where people need to be told that coffee is hot and may cause severe burns if used for tea bagging.
it's not necessarily that we need to be told it's hot.. it's that we'll sue you if you don't tell us..
i mean, we're lame but it's a different kind of lame than "i didn't know coffee was hot" lame.
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enrols for multiple sessions of 'Jeff's Charm Lessons"
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@daniel said:
However, it doesn't say an "additional" 30% off.
True, Daniel...
Nevertheless I still feel it's misleading...I already got a 40% discount, why would they subsequently send an offer with a lower discount - an offer which is inferior to the original - unless it indirectly indicates that there is an additional discount...?
@krisidious said:
it says 30% off your order... if your order was to be a certain amount, which most people watch closely.... Why would you not think it was going to be 30% off that order amount? especially for a non-tangible product like software, that is never out of stock?
My point exactly...
@gareth said:
Frederik, I think you should get Jeff Hammond to do the negotiating for you.
By now, you'd have got it for free and probably a free coffee to go with it...!!
Why didn't I think of it...??
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