Plugin to make a hole in a group?
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Yes. Three solid groups contained in a overall group which SU doesn't recognize as solid.
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@krism said:
Yes. Three solid groups contained in a overall group which SU doesn't recognize as solid.
KrisIt seems that it is easier punching holes in groups when they are not touching face to face.
Could you post a sample to test with?
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]Here are two instances of three solid groups which are grouped together. The group on the left are face to face. The group on the right are 1/64" apart. I can punch holes quite easily if I open the parent group. I can't punch a hole through the whole group from outside it. Solid tools don't work because the parent group isn't recognized as a solid. I've tried "Hole on Solid", TIG's Hole Punch and the hole tool in 1001bit. Non of these do what I'm looking for.
Kris[attachment=0]Hole in Group.skp[/attachment
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@krism said:
]Here are two instances of three solid groups which are grouped together. The group on the left are face to face. The group on the right are 1/64" apart. I can punch holes quite easily if I open the parent group. I can't punch a hole through the whole group from outside it. Solid tools don't work because the parent group isn't recognized as a solid. I've tried "Hole on Solid", TIG's Hole Punch and the hole tool in 1001bit. Non of these do what I'm looking for.
Kris[attachment=0]Hole in Group.skp[/attachment
I found a solution that works on groups I create but the groups, in the model you supplied, react like components in that the process of punching a hole in one causes holes to appear in the rest. Even in the other grouping so looks like you are stuck.
Here is a short video to illustrate.
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Okay, that is weird. The 6 solid groups are copies of the initial group but they are definitely not components. They are created using normal SU tools and aren't anything special. Are your three groups copies or are they three individually created items?
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I also see that I did the sample file in 2013 (thought I had 2014 open). Is your file 2013 or 2014?
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Several copies of a group are considered as components (same definition) until they are edited somehow. That is the point they become individual entities (different definition).
Try double click to edit each group and they will become individual groups. I expect the plugin "wich seems great" will then behave as expected.
Feature suggestion?
Could that hole be turned into a double face cutting component?
Could that second face be diagonal to the first?
Could that hole cut through corners?That would be the mantra for sketchup windows...
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That is interesting and unknown to me up to this moment. Good to know. You should learn something new every day...Guess I'm good for today. I think this is another case of SkecthUp doing something which somebody thought was a good idea but which is contrary to logic. If I want something to behave as a component, I will make a component. I could make the same comment with regard to the Solid Tools.
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Kris,
By coincidence, I am working currently on a plugin that is dealing with holes and that would do this sort of cut across multiple groups / components, whether solid or not by the way.
Here is a first shot, but still some good efforts to come
Fredo
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Fredo6,
This is great.If you wouldn't mind, could you do a test on the attached file. The walls were created with Building Structure Tool. The wall groups are composed of some solid group wall parts. There are some underlying attributes attached to the group to identify it as a BST structure which allows the BST tools to do various things. I don't know what this stuff is and don't know if your tool will work on the wall parts. It would be great if it did.
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@fredo6 said:
Here is a first shot, but still some good efforts to come
Sorry, I don't know an english word to describe this...
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@krism said:
Fredo6,
This is great.If you wouldn't mind, could you do a test on the attached file. The walls were created with Building Structure Tool. The wall groups are composed of some solid group wall parts. There are some underlying attributes attached to the group to identify it as a BST structure which allows the BST tools to do various things. I don't know what this stuff is and don't know if your tool will work on the wall parts. It would be great if it did.
KrisM[attachment=2:25vefbvo]<!-- ia2 -->MWall Test.skp<!-- ia2 -->[/attachment:25vefbvo]
Kris,
Looks like it works on your wall.
[attachment=1:25vefbvo]<!-- ia1 -->VisuHole - KrisM wall.gif<!-- ia1 -->[/attachment:25vefbvo]
[attachment=0:25vefbvo]<!-- ia0 -->VisuHole - KrisM wall 2.gif<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:25vefbvo]
Fredo
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@dave r said:
A group of solids isn't a solid so the plugin won't work.
It is a solid in other programs, in Max for instance. And it makes life way easier.
@Fredo: This new coincidence looks amazing
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@rv1974 said:
Could the Cutter have multiple (not connected) shapes?
is it planned to support the native Shift Projection mode?
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With Fredo on the job, I can stop wasting my time!!!!!!!!
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Fredo,
This is really good. I will wait patiently for your work to progress although my anticipation is at a high state at the moment.
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@rv1974 said:
Could the Cutter have multiple (not connected) shapes?
Yes, it should. Actually, I still have to buld the GUI to pick a stencil pattern from faces in the model, but multiple shapes is possible
Fredo
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@krism said:
The walls were created with Building Structure Tool. The wall groups are composed of some solid group wall parts. There are some underlying attributes attached to the group to identify it as a BST structure which allows the BST tools to do various things.
I noticed a strange thing in the wall. It seems all normals are reversed and Sketchup is messed up with that. Very strange!
EDIT: this has to do with how the groups were created. If you explode each group and then make them group invidually, this odd behavior disappears.
Fredo
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Fredo,
The only problem with exploding the walls is that they would no longer be recognized as a structure by BST and then you can't use the BST tools on them. The BST tools allow you to extend walls to other walls, extend to faces and mitre the corners. These are great tools but don't work on non BST objects. The only thing missing was a way to make holes in the walls which doesn't work with Hole on Solid but appears to work with your plugin.
The wall in the sample file comes with BST (its called MWALL). You can actually create your own mwalls which is really the power of BST. I will look at a mwall I created and see if the same issue is present.
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Kris,
I don't suggest you change anything. But it seems that all of these BST groups are systematically 'mirrored', that is one of their axes is reversed.
And when you create a group within such 'mirrored' groups, it is also mirrored.
Fredo
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