Mon$anto vs. Mother Earth
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@unknownuser said:
Oblamer
Should that not be President "Oblamer"?
See right there you defined yourself, you drop those nuggets you get defined.
And I did read the "smack down" you posted, I bet you never understood a word of it.
Like in climate science there will always be a scientist that will soapbox against the facts, money does not only buy politicians, scientists like yachts too.@unknownuser said:
In the last three posts you've concluded that I am religious, conservative, anti homosexual, watch or listen to Hannity....all of which may or may not be true...but you couldn't possibly know which because I've not commented on it.
You do realize I was not talking about you per se? , however if it fits wear it with pride.
@unknownuser said:
global climate change???? Are you going to wave the racism flag next?
Give me an inch of reason to and I certainly will.
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Next step, monsanto will patent your ADN so you will have to pay for living and pay when you reproduce.
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Is Trimble and evil corporation as well?
http://www.trimble.com/corporate/about_at_glance.aspx
Oh my GOSH! Trimble is AMERICAN AND RICH!
I suggest the management team here make some adjustments to their official and unofficial PR policies.
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Ok I assume you mean DNA and of course nobody wants that.
Gilles...I always wanted to ask you..what is your avatar? I'm not seeing it. Is it something flying..dancing perhaps?
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I suspect his Avatar fits you well.
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Don't be rude Box,
just a pissing dog
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@mics_54 said:
Is Trimble and evil corporation as well?
http://www.trimble.com/corporate/about_at_glance.aspx
Oh my GOSH! Trimble is AMERICAN AND RICH!
I suggest the management team here make some adjustments to their official and unofficial PR policies.
Okay after that gem, lets actually discuss Monsanto, why do I disagree with them.
They use genetically modified seeds with something called terminator technology. When a harvest happens, the seeds produced by the new crops are rendered useless. Although in 1999, Monsanto agreed to not commercialize terminator technology. This means farmers have to repeatedly purchase these seeds.
Most crops Monsanto grows are heavily fertilized. In essence your eating pesticides, fertilizer, antibiotics etc.
They have uprooted countless agricultural traditions in places like India, Mongolia, Vietnam. For example in India sesame seed oil was once the way people made their money and cooked their food cheaper. Monsanto lobbied the Indian government to use soy bean oil (soy is their main product). This destroyed the economic stability of India's subsistence farmers. It is awful for their economy, but also for their health. Immediate heavy intakes of soy can be extremely harmful for the body.
Monsanto because of its recent growth by buying out its competitors is imposing a monopoly on the world grain trade...this largest agricultural market in the world. The grain trade feeds cows, pigs, chickens, us, everything we eat comes from grain food. Monsanto by having a monopoly kills smaller businesses, makes us unhealthy, uproots local agriculture etc.
Now they are patenting everything they create and destroying all the natural seed, so the future is only possible through them, control all the food and you control the money.
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So...are all you anti American sketchuppers gonna bail on trimble because they are a defense contractor? hmmm?
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Can you point to any post here saying anything about being anti american.
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I guess you gave up on the debate and started waving your flag.
@unknownuser said:
So...are all you anti American sketchuppers gonna bail on trimble because they are a defense contractor? hmmm?
Edited as I found a better comparison to your statement.
So...should all Christians get off their computers as Linux, Windows and OSX were created by very vocal atheists? You see how stupid your statement sounds now?
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just as I suspected..hypocrite
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@mics_54 said:
just as I suspected..hypocrite
You do know the definition of that word right?
Okay, time to redeem yourself, show you are brighter than you appear, above I posted why I dislike Monsanto, can you tell me why I'm wrong and why you are right?
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Pete, Michael, er ... Box -please, chill. Jeez.
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How about this, can we at least agree on one issue?
Should food purchased at a store be labeled GMO or not?
@unknownuser said:
A key component of the U.S./Monsanto plan to dominate world agriculture with genetically modified seeds is the absence of labeling of genetically engineered foods. All U.S. foods must carry labels listing the ingredients: salt, sugar, water, vitamins, additives, etc. However, three separate U.S. government agencies -- the Food & Drug Administration (FDA, the. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) -- have ruled that genetically- modified foods deserve an exception: they can be sold without being labeled "genetically modified."
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I deleted the last post as per TomDCs request..
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May I interject that the "debate" might be limited to Monsanto and not inferring everyone's other views or politics.
It's both political and scientific, IMO. Political in the "policies" that dictate how a business reaches it's goal. This goal is generally making money, no one can deny that or denigrate it. A sub-debate is "anything is OK for free enterprise". If you can't agree it's NOT then where are the grounds for debating further?
Scientifically I don't think the Monsanto discussion is just about GMO's. I don't believe there is any appreciable group of scientists that find them categorically "evil" or anything like that. I think the advisable uses are debatable and that would be a pretty technical discussion if you want to stay scientific about it.
Speaking about policy I think it's fair to debate how far monopoly and power shall be used to control the production and food markets, and force practices and ingredients in each. Evidence of these policies and their harm should be up for scrutiny. This is different than Apple dominating the cell phone market. The potential damage becomes pervasive and affects everyone's food choices and environment.
If you think what happens to farmland, farmers, food, and consumers is none our business, again based on free-market principles, what's the use of debating facts on either side?
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I don't think we ever got to debate any real points about Monsanto.
You sound reasonable pbacot
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Back to the subject matter. Food! It is equally important as shelter! These conglomerates should not be allowed to have carte blance Worldwide as they seem to have in the USA.
We are what we eat, after all!
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I learnt about Monsanto a while back from a good friend who is a chef who explained to me how they operate. It is just absurd that any government have allowed this monster to the size it has...
Is it true that they have patented corn seeds which means no farmer is allowed to grow their own corn and must buy from and sell to the thieves?
Possibly the largest wrongdoing in history!
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