Mon$anto vs. Mother Earth
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@unknownuser said:
global moderator are two words I just don't see appropriate in your case...as you are neither.
This is the corner bar by the way, I also do not moderate your opinion I moderate mostly spammers, scammers and move stuff to the right section when posted incorrectly. Nice try on the whole moderator thing, I see you are heading to the personal, play the ball and not the person mate. And because I am a moderator, does that mean I'm not entitled to an opinion?
Hannity of Fox news started the whole "strawman" thing last year, nice to see his "wisdom' was not lost on you.
@unknownuser said:
This isn't a political issue...It's a science issue.
That is funny, I bet you use that line for the Global climate change debate too.
@unknownuser said:
You present evidence from an 11 yr old with basic speaking skills and a coloring book web page created by a people that sell dietary products.
That was just a video about a kid who gets it, and by the way the easy to read coloring book style website is for your folks sake, just trying to make it as easy to understand as possible, facts can be confusing to some.
@unknownuser said:
That's because you are intolerant of anyone that has a viewpoint that varies from yours.
Nah, I am tolerant, I live in the middle of ignorance called Texas, I'm just vocal.
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The only thing you know about me is that I use this website, profess US exceptionalism and am willing to debate with people on current and past events...
yet you seem to be inclined to attribute various character traits arbitrarily upon members of this forum for the mere fact that they commented on a subject concerning GMOs. In the last three posts you've concluded that I am religious, conservative, anti homosexual, watch or listen to Hannity....all of which may or may not be true...but you couldn't possibly know which because I've not commented on it.
What I know is...you didn't present any facts or assertions from other references claiming to be facts but then say "we should agree on a few facts".
The only assertion you've made that might be factual...is that Monsanto is a corporation and they made lots of money....and I bet you aren't even sure of that. Oh but you'll claim you are!Did you even read the doctors blog on GMOs and why he is skeptical of the data in the studies in question? Did the big words confuse you? Were the colors too bland?
global climate change???? Are you going to wave the racism flag next?
Oblamer was just on tv using the "it's not about politics" line on the "gun violence issue"
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@unknownuser said:
Oblamer
Should that not be President "Oblamer"?
See right there you defined yourself, you drop those nuggets you get defined.
And I did read the "smack down" you posted, I bet you never understood a word of it.
Like in climate science there will always be a scientist that will soapbox against the facts, money does not only buy politicians, scientists like yachts too.@unknownuser said:
In the last three posts you've concluded that I am religious, conservative, anti homosexual, watch or listen to Hannity....all of which may or may not be true...but you couldn't possibly know which because I've not commented on it.
You do realize I was not talking about you per se? , however if it fits wear it with pride.
@unknownuser said:
global climate change???? Are you going to wave the racism flag next?
Give me an inch of reason to and I certainly will.
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Next step, monsanto will patent your ADN so you will have to pay for living and pay when you reproduce.
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Is Trimble and evil corporation as well?
http://www.trimble.com/corporate/about_at_glance.aspx
Oh my GOSH! Trimble is AMERICAN AND RICH!
I suggest the management team here make some adjustments to their official and unofficial PR policies.
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Ok I assume you mean DNA and of course nobody wants that.
Gilles...I always wanted to ask you..what is your avatar? I'm not seeing it. Is it something flying..dancing perhaps?
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I suspect his Avatar fits you well.
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Don't be rude Box,
just a pissing dog
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@mics_54 said:
Is Trimble and evil corporation as well?
http://www.trimble.com/corporate/about_at_glance.aspx
Oh my GOSH! Trimble is AMERICAN AND RICH!
I suggest the management team here make some adjustments to their official and unofficial PR policies.
Okay after that gem, lets actually discuss Monsanto, why do I disagree with them.
They use genetically modified seeds with something called terminator technology. When a harvest happens, the seeds produced by the new crops are rendered useless. Although in 1999, Monsanto agreed to not commercialize terminator technology. This means farmers have to repeatedly purchase these seeds.
Most crops Monsanto grows are heavily fertilized. In essence your eating pesticides, fertilizer, antibiotics etc.
They have uprooted countless agricultural traditions in places like India, Mongolia, Vietnam. For example in India sesame seed oil was once the way people made their money and cooked their food cheaper. Monsanto lobbied the Indian government to use soy bean oil (soy is their main product). This destroyed the economic stability of India's subsistence farmers. It is awful for their economy, but also for their health. Immediate heavy intakes of soy can be extremely harmful for the body.
Monsanto because of its recent growth by buying out its competitors is imposing a monopoly on the world grain trade...this largest agricultural market in the world. The grain trade feeds cows, pigs, chickens, us, everything we eat comes from grain food. Monsanto by having a monopoly kills smaller businesses, makes us unhealthy, uproots local agriculture etc.
Now they are patenting everything they create and destroying all the natural seed, so the future is only possible through them, control all the food and you control the money.
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So...are all you anti American sketchuppers gonna bail on trimble because they are a defense contractor? hmmm?
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Can you point to any post here saying anything about being anti american.
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I guess you gave up on the debate and started waving your flag.
@unknownuser said:
So...are all you anti American sketchuppers gonna bail on trimble because they are a defense contractor? hmmm?
Edited as I found a better comparison to your statement.
So...should all Christians get off their computers as Linux, Windows and OSX were created by very vocal atheists? You see how stupid your statement sounds now?
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just as I suspected..hypocrite
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@mics_54 said:
just as I suspected..hypocrite
You do know the definition of that word right?
Okay, time to redeem yourself, show you are brighter than you appear, above I posted why I dislike Monsanto, can you tell me why I'm wrong and why you are right?
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Pete, Michael, er ... Box -please, chill. Jeez.
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How about this, can we at least agree on one issue?
Should food purchased at a store be labeled GMO or not?
@unknownuser said:
A key component of the U.S./Monsanto plan to dominate world agriculture with genetically modified seeds is the absence of labeling of genetically engineered foods. All U.S. foods must carry labels listing the ingredients: salt, sugar, water, vitamins, additives, etc. However, three separate U.S. government agencies -- the Food & Drug Administration (FDA, the. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) -- have ruled that genetically- modified foods deserve an exception: they can be sold without being labeled "genetically modified."
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I deleted the last post as per TomDCs request..
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May I interject that the "debate" might be limited to Monsanto and not inferring everyone's other views or politics.
It's both political and scientific, IMO. Political in the "policies" that dictate how a business reaches it's goal. This goal is generally making money, no one can deny that or denigrate it. A sub-debate is "anything is OK for free enterprise". If you can't agree it's NOT then where are the grounds for debating further?
Scientifically I don't think the Monsanto discussion is just about GMO's. I don't believe there is any appreciable group of scientists that find them categorically "evil" or anything like that. I think the advisable uses are debatable and that would be a pretty technical discussion if you want to stay scientific about it.
Speaking about policy I think it's fair to debate how far monopoly and power shall be used to control the production and food markets, and force practices and ingredients in each. Evidence of these policies and their harm should be up for scrutiny. This is different than Apple dominating the cell phone market. The potential damage becomes pervasive and affects everyone's food choices and environment.
If you think what happens to farmland, farmers, food, and consumers is none our business, again based on free-market principles, what's the use of debating facts on either side?
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I don't think we ever got to debate any real points about Monsanto.
You sound reasonable pbacot
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