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@vigge50 said:
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
You have configured a 64 bit system. Yes SU is a 32 bit and runs on a 64 bit system as such(32). SU is large address aware and it can use 4GB of RAM in 64 bit system where as in 32 it gets to use 2 gb (less the allocation for device drivers). kernel gets the other 2GB of the 4GB.
Suggest the 16 GB RAM is ok or maybe 8GB but NOT 2GB.
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
The last search I did on SSD the price break was at the 120GB level. I was looking at Crucial however and did not find any bad about it.
The boxed set CPU will come with heat sink and fan. If you plan using the cooler there may be a cost trade of non boxed set vs it. I have not found info on the cooler for my satisfaction yet.One question is the CPU socket is a FLGA( Flipped chip LGA) but cooler says socket is LGA but same number of pins. Pins for FLGA are on the mother board vs the CPU(LGA) I assume form factors are the same but like to know for sure.
Delete the above . I mis read your post as cooler and instead of case. I would recommend buying the case with all the fans and the box set CPU has the heat sink and fan so you should be good to go. -
@vigge50 said:
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me?
@numerobis said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.html
maybe 20-25% slower?
@vigge50 said:
I thougt about take the intel 330 120gb insted of 180gb and then take the harddrive i have in my computer now but somewhere I read that the 120gb was worse then the 180 gb, do you know anything about that?
Yes, normally the write speed is slower on smaller models. For Samsung models the difference between 256GB and 128GB model is ~ 20%. I
For the intel 330 the nominal write speed seems to be the same, but the IOPS are much less
http://ark.intel.com/compare/70274,67288,67287
@vigge50 said:
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
Is v-ray for skp really running in 32bit? I wasn't aware of this. This would be a bad limitation... Maxwell for instance runs outside the skp-process and in 64bit.
I would not buy less than 16GB. Even if one app is only using 2-3GB you will maybe start multiple instances of it and use Photoshop or other apps at the same time. 16GB is not too much! Do not limit yourself with this. RAM is cheap today.
The Z77 Pro3 has four DIMM slots and supports32GB RAM max. So if you buy your 2x8GB now, you will be able to plug in two more later if you need it.
1600MHz CL9-10 is enough. Faster RAM will give you close to none for modeling and rendering. Maybe 2-3% in some applications. But if you have not enogh RAM, you will notice it!!!
Last year i have upgraded 3 of my rendernodes from 12 to 24GB because they weren't enough anymore. I had to take out the 6x2GB modules to plug in 6x4GB... after that i had 18 useless 2GB modules to sell... do not save on the wrong things!.
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.@mac1 said:
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
A HDD from a 32bit system that will not work on a 64bit system...?!? Interesting...
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@numerobis said:
@vigge50 said:
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me?
@numerobis said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.html
maybe 20-25% slower?
Yes, normally the write speed is slower on smaller models. For Samsung models the difference between 256GB and 128GB model is ~ 20%. I
For the intel 330 the nominal write speed seems to be the same, but the IOPS are much less
http://ark.intel.com/compare/70274,67288,67287
I would not buy less than 16GB. Even if one app is only using 2-3GB you will maybe start multiple instances of it and use Photoshop or other apps at the same time. 16GB is not too much! Do not limit yourself with this. RAM is cheap today.
The Z77 Pro3 has four DIMM slots and supports32GB RAM max. So if you buy your 2x8GB now, you will be able to plug in two more later if you need it.
1600MHz CL9-10 is enough. Faster RAM will give you close to none for modeling and rendering. Maybe 2-3% in some applications. But if you have not enogh RAM, you will notice it!!!
Last year i have upgraded 3 of my rendernodes from 12 to 24GB because they weren't enough anymore. I had to take out the 6x2GB modules to plug in 6x4GB... after that i had 18 useless 2GB modules to sell... do not save on the wrong things!.
@mac1 said:
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
A HDD from a 32bit system that will not work on a 64bit system...?!? Interesting...
I found this and there it says that they are best on different things http://www.hwcompare.com/13482/geforce-gtx-550-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-650/
Okey, i take 8x2 gig then
What is iops and different would I notice?
If i download a program and clean the hole harddrive, world it still be 32 bit harddrive? How do i know if a harddrive is 32-bit or 64-bit?
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A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.html -
@vigge50 said:
A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.htmlno surely not... that was what i wanted to say
If a hdd can be read depends only on the file system (and maybe raid volumes) and not the bitrate and drivers.Intel SSD 330 review:
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If the intel ssd 330 120gb had low IOPS i found Kinston ssdnow v300 120 gb that have much more and near the same speed for a better price,
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Yes, the kingston ssd now 300v is nice for the price. I have the 120 gb version in a render node as budget version. Very fast. The only thing i don't know is how it bahaves over the time. But it should be ok.
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@numerobis said:
Yes, the kingston ssd now 300v is nice for the price. I have the 120 gb version in a render node as budget version. Very fast. The only thing i don't know is how it bahaves over the time. But it should be ok.
It cost just 722 so I think I take it.
Now I am on a total of 7846:- with 16 gig ram
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Another "cheap" option could be the good old Crucial M4 128GB (or 256GB). I think it's still a good drive. I'm not sure about the Sandforce chipset of the kingston... i think the marvell chip would be better.
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@vigge50 said:
A hard drive is not a 32- bit or a 64-bit
http://www.sevenforums.com/backup-restore/139224-backup-32bit-external-hard-drive-64-a.htmlIn most cases( but not all) the hardware is ok ( For example go to the Seagate site) but the bundled software may not be. If you have no use for any of its support software then your choice. I would check with manufacture to make sure you are OK.
I did not pick up on what OS you are planning. I no not know if the high level formatting ( required)is any different than what you have. I would not think MS would not do that to user but?? If so make sure you save critical data.BTW I have xp sp3 and have my disk format fat32 because I hand some legacy DOS programs I wanted to run. Windows 7 default is NTFS and I do not know if it will still allow FAT 32 like xp. Next change I'll have to convert. MS does have a convert utility. The link you cite as showing 32 vs 64 leaves too many questions to establish closed form solution. All that proves for now is it worked for that users configuration and hardware. Ask your manufacture?
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Found this one now on 35% sale for just 699:- MSI GeForce GTX 550Ti V2 1GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI PCIe
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maybe look for a review with noise level testing... i don't know how quiet the fan of the cheap MSI cards is. Normally the video card fan will be the loudest part of your system now.
But it will be hard to judge by reading reviews... Maybe you should buy it and if it is too noisy than you can change the cooler for an arctic cooling one or something like this (but then you will loose the warranty of your card - theoretically)....just to be clear, i can't promise you that a 550TI is faster in Sketchup than a 650. I can only look at the reviews like you do!
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@numerobis said:
maybe look for a review with noise level testing... i don't know how quiet the fan of the cheap MSI cards is. Normally the video card fan will be the loudest part of your system now.
But it will be hard to judge by reading reviews... Maybe you should buy it and if it is too noisy than you can change the cooler for an arctic cooling one or something like this (but then you will loose the warranty of your card - theoretically)....just to be clear, i can't promise you that a 550TI is faster in Sketchup than a 650. I can only look at the reviews like you do!
I saw that that prices is just until tomorrow so I think I buy it now
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I have bought everything and just wait for the motherboard and the PSU. When I read littel more about optimize airflow and like that I found out that my chassi would suck in dust, is it worth to by a dust filter and place at the frontfan or would it just stop the airflow to much? I read somewhere that to optimize the airflow, you would block the fan holes that you don't so that the air go the way you want. Is it good or bad? I would have two openings on the side.
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Get a dust filter, or if you want really want to go cheap, a cut-up piece of women's hose will do the trick. Blocking the unused fan ports is a good idea, it will prevent dust and lint uptake and prevent it from clogging heat critical cooling fans like the CPU and graphics cards. If they aren't blocked they need to have filters. Those can be difficult to clean due to the fine cooling fins that trap dirt, so the best thing is to prevent as little dust from getting in as possible.
Directing airflow is not such a big deal unless you don't have fans that blow air over your HDD(SSD) or memory. Some people have a preference for positive or negative case pressure, I prefer positive so I can control where air comes from. Preferably from a filtered source. I've taken cases that have negative pressure apart, every tiny hole leading into the case is clogged with dust and lint and that's only what got trapped, the rest is in the case.
My filters get vacuumed once a week or so, they need it. It's amazing how much crud they pick up.
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Tanks for the tip, do i need a filter at the back fan there I would blow out the air?
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@vigge50 said:
Found this one now on 35% sale for just 699:- MSI GeForce GTX 550Ti V2 1GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI PCIe
I would love the new MSI GTX 680!
I ordered a normal GTX 680 but still dreaming of the MSI versino for my second card...
What website did you find the deal on?
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@liam887 said:
@vigge50 said:
Found this one now on 35% sale for just 699:- MSI GeForce GTX 550Ti V2 1GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI PCIe
I would love the new MSI GTX 680!
I ordered a normal GTX 680 but still dreaming of the MSI versino for my second card...
What website did you find the deal on?
That was on a Swedish website but that offer isn't anymore so now it cost 1080 Swedish crowns and that's about 125 € but it wasn't GTX 680, it was GTX 550ti
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@vigge50 said:
@liam887 said:
@vigge50 said:
Found this one now on 35% sale for just 699:- MSI GeForce GTX 550Ti V2 1GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI PCIe
I would love the new MSI GTX 680!
I ordered a normal GTX 680 but still dreaming of the MSI versino for my second card...
What website did you find the deal on?
That was on a Swedish website but that offer isn't anymore so now it cost 1080 Swedish crowns and that's about 125 € but it wasn't GTX 680, it was GTX 550ti
Yes but I only have a stock GTX 680, the MSI version is much superior but expensive. I wouldn't run more than one stock card at a time anyway as I am worried about overheating.
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No filters are necessary at the outflow fans, only fans that intake air from the outside. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, though; do you mean a filter behind a fan vs. in front? If so, the filter should be on the intake side of the fan and preferably on the external side of the case. It's much easier to clean an external filter. You want to avoid opening your case to clean, that's just risking damage to sensitive components, especially if you plan on using a vacuum cleaner. Those things are static discharge generating monsters.
Edit: I looked at your case (Cooler Master 310). It looks like you have 1 included fan in the rear and options for a side and front fan. The power supply comes with its own outflow fan. Your case is not a "quiet" case, so I would look for the quietest and highest CFM fan you can get in the 120 mm size to push air though the case and over your storage media. I cannot tell from the description if the fan intakes have filters included.
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