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@numerobis said:
To get a rough overview of the available cards you should maybe take a look at the linked comparison chart on tomshardware...
nvidia names the faster cards of a line "GTX" and the slower ones "GT". I think everything under "50" (GTX550 or GTX650) is named GT now.
Like i said before, i would look for a GTX 560 or GTX 560 TI. They are available with 1GB and 2GB RAM and different coolers from different brands.
Everything above is too energy consuming for daily sketchup work - in my opinion (and is too expensive and runs too hot).
The newer 6xx series seems to be not so good for professional 3D work.I found Asus GTX560 1GB PCI-E DC for 1 549:- but when I read reviews it often comes up what it's overpriced, if I now have to buy a graphic card to I mayby need a better PSU and then I found this at the same price as the other but it is at 650 W and it's gold certified FRACTAL DESIGN TESLA R2 650W WHITE.
I have found that the company that cell windows 7 for 819:- have rais it to 949:- so now I mayby take windows 8 instead.Do you have any tip for another good graphic card in a little cheaper price class?
(I think I am up in about 8 000 kr now I think it is little too much)
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The Seasonic that i posted should be enough for one video card - even if you plug in a GTX580/680. No need for 80plus GOLD - Gold is not stronger, only a few percent more efficient (~5%) than Bronze - but much more expensive...
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus )I really don't know what to say about the video card... If the 560 or 560TI is too expensive for you, then buy a cheaper one!?
But as most of the time if you buy components - you get what you pay for! A GTX 550 or 550TI could be ok. But i would not go below a GTX 550. I think a GT440 is not worth the money - then you can better use the embedded chip...
The 550TI should be ~30-40% slower than a 560TI but for maybe 50% less money - i'm not sure about the 550.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/19-Tom-s-Hardware-Index-B-Performance,2976.htmlI think 949 SEK = 110€ is still cheap or normal for Win7 Pro x64 OEM.
If you want it cheaper you could buy a "labled" version. These are reselled OEM Reinstallation DVDs, normally from Dell. I have already bought two of these and registered successfully - but no guaranty from my side! (But i would not buy it on ebay!)
I don't know if there are swedish versions...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B005KJ9P2U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=330045087&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004BMPJZO&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_r=1CKAY6RQ79JE7GBA9H80 -
After some serach i found GTX 550 TI so now I think to buy this:
ASUS GEFORCE GTX 550 TI 1GB PCI-E DVI/HDMI 1040:-
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREM SP1 64-BIT SWE DVD#OEM 901:-
INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 675:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 629:-
SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 890:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-
ASUS DRW-24B5ST DVD±R/RW/RAM DL 24X SATA BLACK 169:-
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-
Total 8 408:-
Have look on different cpu cooler from Noctua and have also found Zalman CNPS12X CPU Cooler that cost just 169:- insted of 675:- but it's temporarily out of stock.
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Wow, 19,62€ for a CNPS12X? Really? If this is true, i think it's clear why they are out of stock...
The CNPS12X seems to be really great - but normally a bit expensive
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/zalman-cnps12x_5.htmlIf you don't get one, i think the cheapest good cooler is still the Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. A
One more thing about the Seasonic... if you would like to have removable cables there is also a M12 II 620W for a few bucks more (i've just ordered one today for my new rendernode
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Found a new website with some nice prices so now I have this:
KFA2 GeForce GTX 550 Ti - grafikkort - GF GTX 550 Ti 816:-
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREM SP1 64-BIT SWE DVD#OEM 834:-
INTEL CORE I7 3770K 3.5GHZ 8MB S-1155 IVY 2 641:-
CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 PC12800 1600MHZ (2X8GB) 562:-
SEASONIC S12 II 620W PSU 748:-
COOLER MASTER MIDITOWER ELITE 310 ATX BLACK/ORANGE 290:-
Samsung SH-224BB - DVD±RW- (±R DL-) / DVD-RAM-en 154:-
ASRock Z77 PRO3 Intel Z77 4xDDR3 CrossFireX Socket 1155 ATX 825:-
Intel 330 Series 180GB SSD R:500/W:450 2.5" SATA-3 989:-
Total 7 859:-
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no cooler anymore?
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The prices have get up littel and the graphic card I had choose doesn't sells anymore so now I am just over 8 000kr and look for a cooler. I have read that Noctua make the best air cooler but I don't now if I would chosse the extrem Noctua NH-D14(679:-), mayby the littel cheaper NOCTUA NH-U12P(525:-) or NOCTUA NH-U9B SE2(425:-)
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The Noctua NH-D14 is nice but VERY expensive. I didn't think that this would fit your budget...
@numerobis said:
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- a good cooler, maybe Thermalright True Spirit 120 Rev. A ~25€ (or HR-2 Macho or Macho 120)
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I think the Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev. A (BW) has still the best price/performance ratio at the moment (~40€) and a very quiet fan - i have two of them in use for render nodes (overclocked i7 980x and 3930K).
The True Spirit would be an even cheaper solution. Performance is a bit below the Macho - like the price. - a good cooler, maybe Thermalright True Spirit 120 Rev. A ~25€ (or HR-2 Macho or Macho 120)
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Thank you for the tip, found out that the true spirit is really good if you look on this test
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/xigmatek-prime-thermalright-true-spirit-140_7.html
I found this for just 344:- and the other one that you talk about I just found on one or two websites and was mush expensiver so the spirit is enought for me. Right now I am on 8391:- = 967€ -
yes, the True Spirit 140is even better than the Macho. If you're in the 40€+ range now, this should be the one to get, i think.
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The true spirit 140 normally cost 459:- but now it's 25% discount so it cost just 344:- = 40€
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Search for a case fan because it is just one in the case and read that Scythe Gentle Typhoon was really good but how good do I need, there is 500, 800, 1150, 1450, 1850, 3000 and 4250 rpm. The prices is near the same so that doesn't matter but I don't want it to sound more that I really need.
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I think a front fan is not absolutely neccessary. One case fan on the backside could be enough.
If you want to install one, i would take one with 800-1200rpm i think and then use the fan control of the BIOS (UEFI) to adjust it to maybe ~600-900rpm. The Scythe GT is very good, but very expensive too. You could also take a Yate Loon for ~5€ or a Thermalright (not sure about the product numbers - you should look for some reviews). They should be good enough as a case fan. -
Couldn't found any of this in right size but I found Arctic Cooling ARCTIC F12 TC that was sheep and have some good reviews. (49:-)
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i have several F12's in my render nodes and my workstation without the TC. I think you don't need the TC-version if the mainboard controls the fan.
Most of the F12's that i have are very quiet but the last one i bought was really noisy... I can't tell you if this is a production failure of this single fan or if they have this production tolerance.
For me it's ok because they are really cheap and the nodes are located in the server room, so i don't hear the at all. But i will check this for future builds. -
I felt this was littel to much so I change the gtx550ti to gtx650 or would this make big different for me? I thougt about take the intel 330 120gb insted of 180gb and then take the harddrive i have in my computer now but somewhere I read that the 120gb was worse then the 180 gb, do you know anything about that?
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You will not know for sure if the PC vray performance is better than other configurations. Even comparing performance based on clock rate is not the full story because it depends on the wait states in the processing pipe line => some times slower is better than others with higher rates. You put the best base system together you can and look for the best. Bench mark test on the exact configuration would be the best info.
Have a couple of question;
For the processor does your your cost based on boxed version?. If not I think it should be. This may be mute if you stay with the cooler?It appears you do not have a hard drive and the 180 GB SSD will probably fill up quickly unless the use is very limited. The ATX form factor probably has room for one and you could off set the cost by going to 128 GB SSD. OS etc goes on the SSD and rest goes on the HD.
The cooler is CPU centric, fans are cheap( Especially if you build yourself), the ATX has slots and the mother board control interfaces(?). Heat is one of the highest contributing factor for un-relaibility along with power supply issues. (Heat sinking is reason for boxed CPU set). However I could not find info ( Engish) on the cooler to see what the interface is. Using the cpu,gpu,ps fans for cooling I would question.I have PS, GPU and CPU(P4 3.2GHZ) fans plus two case fans an temps run little higher than I like. Present temps are : Process Zone 69c;system Zone 1 46c,
System zone 2 58c, after about 1 hour.
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The processor is a boxed version and her is a review of the CPU cooler http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/thermalright-true-spirit-120m-cpu-cooler/5/
The case I thought to bought has one installed, I going to buy one more and there is space to a third fan that I can buy if I need more. The room there I going to have the computer is in the end of the house and it use to be littel coller there so I think it will help me littel to hold down the tempature. As I say before, I going to use my old hard drive that I have in my computer now if I need more space. -
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
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@vigge50 said:
I have found out that both sketchup and vray is 32-bit application and that means that it can just use 2 gb of ram so 16 gig is overkill, mayby go down littel and choose a faster?
You have configured a 64 bit system. Yes SU is a 32 bit and runs on a 64 bit system as such(32). SU is large address aware and it can use 4GB of RAM in 64 bit system where as in 32 it gets to use 2 gb (less the allocation for device drivers). kernel gets the other 2GB of the 4GB.
Suggest the 16 GB RAM is ok or maybe 8GB but NOT 2GB.
You noted using the HD from another PC. Hope you are aware all drivers for a 64 bit system MUST be 64 bit and if it is from a 32 bit system it will not work unless you can get 64 bit driver for it! Chances of that are two: slim and none.
The last search I did on SSD the price break was at the 120GB level. I was looking at Crucial however and did not find any bad about it.
The boxed set CPU will come with heat sink and fan. If you plan using the cooler there may be a cost trade of non boxed set vs it. I have not found info on the cooler for my satisfaction yet.One question is the CPU socket is a FLGA( Flipped chip LGA) but cooler says socket is LGA but same number of pins. Pins for FLGA are on the mother board vs the CPU(LGA) I assume form factors are the same but like to know for sure.
Delete the above . I mis read your post as cooler and instead of case. I would recommend buying the case with all the fans and the box set CPU has the heat sink and fan so you should be good to go.
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