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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
      last edited by

      I am not a Mac user so cannot advise but I have heard that some (probably the more demanding) apps do not run correctly under Parallels - although that seems to be the most "convenient" thing.

      Gai...

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      • michaliszissiouM Offline
        michaliszissiou
        last edited by

        Bootcamp solution is your best choice.
        Adding VMWARE on the OSX will link this independent WIN OS to your mac.
        So you'll have two options. Run WIN in simulation mode (works perfectly for Office) or just boot from windows (CAD solutions)
        You can even forget OSX and just use WIN by default. But... you may prefer the secure OSX. Which happens to be a much better OS if I may say. πŸ˜†

        If she is really blonde, then, Bootcamp, make WIN the default boot and let's forget the whole thing. 🀣

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        • A Offline
          Aerilius
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          @paul russam said:

          For Boot Camp and Parallels/VMware you'd have to get a Windows Licence (or use one from a now defunct comp), I don't know about VirtualBox.

          Virtualbox is now offered as opensource version (there used to be a proprietary/commercial variant) and all commercial gimmicks (USB 2+ etc.) are in an extra pack which is even (cost-)free for personal and educational use.
          No matter whether it's a native installation or virtualized one requires a Windows license (so if you have already an old license, you could de-authenticate it on the computer it was installed on).

          Virtual machines are nice if you rarely need a certain program or for testing new/untrusted software (before allowing it to mess with your system), but especially hardware acceleration is not available or experimental.
          When performance matters, one should prefer to install Windows directly on the hardware (like dual booting).

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          • Mike LuceyM Offline
            Mike Lucey
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            One of my key apps Canvas is not now available on Max so I rely on Bootcamp, its solid!

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            • Paul RussamP Offline
              Paul Russam
              last edited by

              I'd forgotten about another option, you can install Windows as a Boot Camp partition getting you all the speed of a native OS but with the hassle of having to reboot every time you want to switch OS's AND THEN install Parallels in OSX and link it to the Boot Camp'd Windows OS.
              This way if you want to do something quick and simple you can fire up Windows via Parallels from within the Mac Desktop and if you have something heavier to do you can reboot into Windows with all the performance that the Mac and bring.

              Paul Russam
              English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark allies, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.

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              • bmikeB Offline
                bmike
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                I'm running a BootCamp Partition with Win7.
                And I have Parallels running so I can get in there while working in OSX.

                I can launch AutoCAD Architecture in Parallels and check plans, even pop open 3d models. If I need to do extensive work I reboot directly into Win7.

                My accounting software and a few other miscellaneous pieces work fine in Parallels.

                I opted not to link up the 2 OSs with their 'crystal' model or whatever they call it. Handy, I could see for folks who run lots of VMs and pop back and forth - but not for me. I've isolated the Win7 in Parallels, and I use DropBox to share files back and forth between the Mac and PC.

                Here's a screen cap running some topo software:


                http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/6861192906_ecebf1b62f_b.jpg

                TopoFusion, Mac, BootCamp, Parallels7 by mbeganyi, on Flickr

                And one with AutoCAD open (in Parallels, in OSX):

                https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-pp7gjfcMYcQ/UBlEnuQZk8I/AAAAAAAATfM/5OqPMc-cyTM/s800/Screen%2520Shot%25202012-03-20%2520at%252011.21.15%2520AM.png

                Best of both worlds...! Run Win7 natively with a re-boot, or in a VM, using all the stuff you already have loaded up!

                mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                • N Offline
                  notareal
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                  One possible alternative is dualboot OSX / Linux with wine. Many windows applications do work fine with wine. Benefit is that you will not need extra windows license. πŸ˜‰ Gives also a option to never use mac... take a leap into linux world πŸ˜„

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                  • FrederikF Offline
                    Frederik
                    last edited by

                    Thank you all...! Much appreciated...! πŸ‘
                    I've learned a lot from your inputs... πŸ˜„

                    So... At least I need a Win license...
                    And then I can then choose/select between different VMware applications...
                    Jesus... It's going to cost a lot... 😐
                    A Win 7 license is 215,00 EUR (app. 265 USD) and in addition the VMware which is another 45,00 EUR (app. 55,00 USD)... 😞

                    Aahhh well... Guess she'll just need to "bite the apple"... πŸ˜‰

                    Cheers
                    Kim Frederik

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                    • A Offline
                      Aerilius
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                      @notareal said:

                      One possible alternative is dualboot OSX / Linux with wine.

                      Wine even runs on OS X (it's a lightweight Windows compatibility layer for all Unix)[1][2].
                      I don't understand why it seems not a so popular choice on OS X, in the case some software is not available, or "SketchUp crashes on Mountain Lion" or "feature ... is not like on Windows", then why not try the Windows version in Wine?

                      Although a real Windows would make sure that she had hopefully no need for additional support questions...

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                      • michaliszissiouM Offline
                        michaliszissiou
                        last edited by

                        @unknownuser said:

                        Although a real Windows would make sure that she had hopefully no need for additional support questions...

                        Exactly so. You have to pay for WIN OS only and that's it. She is blond if I recollect correctly.
                        Let's be practical Frederik. The set up is not for your needs after all. Or... is it?
                        I mean... I didn't mean that you're a blonde... Maybe something is running... I mean... well, are you gonna use this macbook in the near future? 🀣

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                          notareal
                          last edited by

                          @frederik said:

                          Thank you all...! Much appreciated...! πŸ‘
                          I've learned a lot from your inputs... πŸ˜„

                          So... At least I need a Win license...
                          And then I can then choose/select between different VMware applications...
                          Jesus... It's going to cost a lot... 😐
                          A Win 7 license is 215,00 EUR (app. 265 USD) and in addition the VMware which is another 45,00 EUR (app. 55,00 USD)... 😞

                          Aahhh well... Guess she'll just need to "bite the apple"... πŸ˜‰

                          No need for windows license, if you use wine.

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                          • bmikeB Offline
                            bmike
                            last edited by

                            You can save a bit of $$ and order up the win7 OEM from NewEgg.

                            Depending on what you want to do, you may want Parallels over VMWare Fusion.
                            A colleague has AutoCAD issues with VMWare, Parallels it works fine.

                            mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                            • PixeroP Offline
                              Pixero
                              last edited by

                              A questions:
                              If I would run Windows both from Dual boot and Parallels, do I need two separate installs of Windows and all the windows software or are they one and the same?

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                              • bmikeB Offline
                                bmike
                                last edited by

                                @pixero said:

                                A questions:
                                If I would run Windows both from Dual boot and Parallels, do I need two separate installs of Windows and all the windows software or are they one and the same?

                                All the same. Parallels points to the BootCamp install. It uses the same license of Windows (as well as AutoCAD, etc.).

                                Not sure how VMWare handles this, but thus far, working swell with Parallels and Win7.

                                mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                  Aerilius
                                  last edited by

                                  I doubt it is a question of whatever virtualization solution you use.

                                  The issue is that the authentication server recognizes a genuine installation by a list of hardware characteristics, if you change one component (RAM etc.) it doesn't matter, but if all hardware suddenly change then it's very suspicious and you need to re-authenticate. Virtualization software usually is not able to simulate all sorts of hardware but just some includes generic hardware, so the installation in VirtualBox/Parallels/VMWare is recognized as a different system and requires a its own license.

                                  (A trick that works in an XP in VirtualBox is to never "shutdown" XP, but to pause(freeze) the virtual machine. XP asks only at boot/login for activation, so as long as it doesn't reboot you can use it longer than 30 days.)

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                                  • bmikeB Offline
                                    bmike
                                    last edited by

                                    @aerilius said:

                                    I doubt it is a question of whatever virtualization solution you use.

                                    The issue is that the authentication server recognizes a genuine installation by a list of hardware characteristics, if you change one component (RAM etc.) it doesn't matter, but if all hardware suddenly change then it's very suspicious and you need to re-authenticate. Virtualization software usually is not able to simulate all sorts of hardware but just some includes generic hardware, so the installation in VirtualBox/Parallels/VMWare is recognized as a different system and requires a its own license.

                                    (A trick that works in an XP in VirtualBox is to never "shutdown" XP, but to pause(freeze) the virtual machine. XP asks only at boot/login for activation, so as long as it doesn't reboot you can use it longer than 30 days.)

                                    No.

                                    I'm running 1 copy of Win7 in BootCamp, and the same copy in Parallels.
                                    When doing the Parallels install it points at the BootCamp partition and eventually installs tools there to make it all work.
                                    AutoCAD is also authenticating fine, whether under BootCamp or virtually in Parallels.

                                    A friend who is running VMWare (and not happy with the 3d support) is having issues with BootCamp and his virtual setup, specifically when using AutoCAD. He is switching to Parallels so that he has a smoother setup when switching between a clean boot (for CAD intensive stuff), and when he runs VM.

                                    mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                    • michaliszissiouM Offline
                                      michaliszissiou
                                      last edited by

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      so as long as it doesn't reboot you can use it longer than 30 days

                                      🀣
                                      Thanks.

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                                      • S Offline
                                        sepo
                                        last edited by

                                        Frederik
                                        I would recommend boot-camp. I run it on my mac book pro, desktop pro and Imac 27". It works really good and you do not have any lagging which people experience due to sharing RAM.

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                                        • FrederikF Offline
                                          Frederik
                                          last edited by

                                          Thanks again all...! πŸ‘
                                          Much appreciated...

                                          I gave my sister in law all your advices...
                                          She tried making a boot camp, but the system failed... πŸ˜’
                                          What she'll do now - I don't know...

                                          Cheers
                                          Kim Frederik

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                                          • michaliszissiouM Offline
                                            michaliszissiou
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                                            Well


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