Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED
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I think this sums up my views on Religion.
[flash=853,505:1thcpqqm]http://www.youtube.com/v/1IAhDGYlpqY&fs=1[/flash:1thcpqqm]
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I think people are beginning to understand that the wolf of Rome masked himself in the lamb skin of Christ...but there still is true light from the Orthodox source.
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@unknownuser said:
I think this sums up my views on Religion.
Oh no, not this video again. It's just a bunch of contradictions.....The guy says he hates religion but, loves the church, the bible and Jesus. If that isn't still religion I'll eat my sox.
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@unknownuser said:
Please post a vid on YouTube.
I would, but it still is a religion, so no cotton fiber in my tummy today. 
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As a Christian I appreciate the message he's trying to get across. The dichotomy between the sort of works based system of the world and relationship based system of God. However, I would tend to side with the atheists on this one in saying that this sort of popular movement to suggest Christianity isn't a religion is simply well intentioned equivocation. I hope atheists don't miss the point that's being raised here, but I think it's clear that Christianity fits any normal definition of the word "religion" and to suggest otherwise is just a sort of rhetorical dishonesty.
-Brodie
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@unknownuser said:
(...) I think it's clear that Christianity fits any normal definition of the word "religion" and to suggest otherwise is just a sort of rhetorical dishonesty.
Word.
Marian, less talking, mo' eating.
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Dear colleagues, it is evident that some of you have not yet studied the whole Bible, but quickly jump in for contradictingā¦
I recommend that after you finish reading the Holy Scripture, go through books explaining how God works, like āKNOWING Godā, by J.I.PACKER, book with following content:I KNOW THE LORD
1 The Study of God
2 The People Who Know Their God
3 Knowing and Being known
4 The Only True God
5 God Incarnate
6 He ShallTestifyII BEHOLD YOUR GOD!
7 God Unchanging
8 The Majesty of God
9 God Only Wise
10 Godās Wisdom and ours
11 Thay Word Is Truth
12 The Love of God
13 The Grace of God
14 God The Judge
15 The Wrath of God
16 Goodnessand Severity
17 The Jealous GodIII IF GOD BE FOR USā¦
18 The Heartof the Gospel
19 Sons of God
20 Thou Our Guide
21These Inward Trials
22 The Adequacy of GodAfter that, it will be much easier for you to understand my ālanguageāā¦!
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@solo said:
Similar to understanding mental illness after visiting an asylum.
You are erroneous, āSoloā, because you start with preconceptions!
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@solo said:
.... so I bid y'all farewell until the next controversial topic.
did Satan create The Federal Reserve?
[EDIT] did Satan or Satans create...
and did you ever notice santa and satan are pretty much the same
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Satan was my cousin's dog.
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Here's Satan and God in the midst of their eternal battle
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@ āRich OāBrianā (and other, similarā¦), You play with āfireāā¦!
At Galatians 6:7 is written:
āDo not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows!āP.S.: Take into account the fact that Satan does not agree to be underestimated and incited...!
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I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan, beats the hell out of hanging around with close minded, brainwashed, proselytising, harp playing fundaMentalists like you.
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@box said:
I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan, beats the hell out of hanging around with close minded, brainwashed,
..."I look forward to spending eternity" with God!
I believe in the only true God (John 17:3) revealed in the Scriptures as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). I believe in the oneness (Deut. 6:4), the trinity (Matthew 3:16-17) and the trinity unified as one God (Matthew 28:19).
God is a spirit (John 4:24), infinite and perfect in all His attributes (Psalms 139:1-12), the One that CREATED ALL THINGS (Rev. 4:11), and keeps all things through the power of His Word (Hebrews 1:3).
In Him we live, we move and have our being (Acts 17:28).
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@box said:
I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan,
...I believe in the real existence of the Satan/Devil (Job 1:6,etc.)...
He is a being which was created, originally holy, then fallen through pride and rebellion against God, and became the enemy of God and man (Ezechiel 28:12-17).
He is the one who instigated man into disobedience (Genesis 3:4-5; 2 Corinthians 11:3).
He is 'the ruler of the kingdom of the airā (Ephesians 2:2); the "accuser" of the holy ones (Revelations 12:10); the falsifier of Godās works (Matthew 13:25,38,39).
He was restrained at the cross (Colossians 2:15), and is destined in the end to be striped of all his power and to be thrown in the ālake of fireā (Revelations 20:10). -
There's no such being as Satan. He's just the Middle East equivalent of the Norse god Loki....whose daughter is called Hel. Hel was cast into the subterranean domain of Nifleheim...to Hel's Hall (Helhalla), where she rules over all those not worthy to enter Valhalla. On the day of Ragnarƶk, Loki will lead his three children (Hel, Fenrir, the giant wolf; and Jormungandr the serpent ) together with an army of giants to do battle with the gods...good vs evil. Sounds fairly familiar...and I ain't talking about Lord of The Rings. I stopped believing in fairy tales a long time ago.
All cultures have these myths. That doesn't mean they have any basis in fact...merely that people aren't that different and all try to explain the dichotomy between good and evil, good fortune and bad in their own way. The Native American version would be the Trickster.
If you ever feel like reading something other than the Bible, you could do worse than starting with this.
Of course, Norse mythology also features Trolls...which some of us suspect a certain contributor to these boards might number himself amongst.
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@alan fraser said:
There's no such being as Satan. He's just the Middle East equivalent of the Norse god Loki....whose daughter is called Hel, who was cast into the subterranean domain of Nifleheim...to Hel's Hall (Helhalla), where she rules over all those not worthy to enter Valhalla. On the day of Ragnarƶk, Loki will lead his three children and an army of giants to do battle with the gods...good vs evil.
Alan, you're quite the Nord nerd.
I can't speak to much to the specifics of these similarities (they don't sound all that similar to me, but whatever) but an alternative explanation of these stories is that perhaps there's an underlying truth to all of them. Sort of a theme that's been passed down throughout the collective consciousness through stories and oral tradition which have been adapted over time by various cultures. What would you say about that possibility.
Of course, Norse mythology also features Trolls...which some of us suspect a certain contributor to these boards might number himself amongst.[/quote]
haha. Does Norse mythology give us any clues on how to dispatch such a creature should we HAPPEN to run across one?
-Brodie
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@unknownuser said:
...but an alternative explanation of these stories is that perhaps there's an underlying truth to all of them. Sort of a theme that's been passed down throughout the collective consciousness through stories and oral tradition which have been adapted over time by various cultures. What would you say about that possibility.
-Brodie
No there isn't. There really isn't. I already stated that. They are similar attempts...very possibly all based on earlier myths...therefore somewhat related...to explain good and evil. But that does not mean that they have any grounding in fact or truth. Thunder is not produced by the Thunderbird flapping his wings any more than it's produced by Thor striking his hammer.
What's more, there are plenty of eminent churchmen that would agree with me. Satan hardly appears in the Jewish tradition....certainly not as the great bogeyman he's been made out to be by layer after layer of deluded masochistic christians. These people have taken the original idea of Sheol...which can mean something as basic as being undergound (as in a grave)...somewhere where all the dead go, irrespective of whether they've been good or bad...mixed it in with the old Greek myth of Hades...taken the Hell from the Nordic tradition and invented this lunacy that is preached today as fact.[flash=640,390:3tkkkwww]http://www.youtube.com/v/WtIREJVPfQY?version=3[/flash:3tkkkwww]
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Try new improve Atheism [now with added religion!] http://www.ted.com/talks/alain_de_botton_atheism_2_0.html
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