Osama bin Laden's hideout in Abbottabad Pakistan
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@honoluludesktop said:
Maybe we should have tried to extradite bin Laden.
That would've been better, yes. Though possibly not from Obama's point of view. Whatever the route taken - trial/no trial, trial in the US/trial in The Hague, incarceration/execution- the outcome would've been messy. I think I understand why the Obama administration chose to go into Pakistan. Still, they should've not done it without Pakistan's consent.
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@unknownuser said:
Still, they should've not done it without Pakistan's consent.
I'm sure they didn't...
Parkistan was informed, but because of their internal situation, they can't say it was approved in any way...
They had to turn their blind eye away from it and let the Americans do what they had to...
Why do I believe this...?? Simply because they haven't complained about the operation carried out on their land... -
When you think about it, the Civil war was not simply Americans fighting each other. The South had succeeded from the Union to form the Confederate Nation, then attacked the Union at Fort Sumter. They even began treaty negotiations with Mexico. If it wasn't for the industrial strength of the North, and Lincoln's commitment to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, there would be two countries today.
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Only one question:
How do you know OBL was guilty?
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I think it is in these words from Obama after killing Bin Laden, as he assures, where it lays the behaviour of this actual President of the United States of América :
YouTube - JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE - .avi
JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE
No need of Court
No need of anything____________________________-
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@srx said:
How do you know OBL was guilty?
Sorry... What a lame question is that...??
Should I interpret your question as OBL would be innocent...??
What planet have you been on during the past 10 years...?@juanv.soler said:
JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE
No need of Court
No need of anythingExactly... None of the above was needed in this case...
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@srx said:
Only one question:
How do you know OBL was guilty?
Because he admitted it. If someone confesses to a crime; and every piece of evidence points to them having committed that crime, you've got to be utterly perverse to believe otherwise.
If all the evidence is wrong...and he falsely claimed credit for 9/11 just for the sake of kudos...more fool him.I'm sure Al Qaida will continue exactly as before. But it will now do so minus a figurehead that was previously held to be mythically uncatchable. The aura of invincibility just got trashed.
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Didn't he brag about it on tape?
Unverified translation however. -
Killing OBL means nothing. He was a figure head and that is it. The fact that he was sleeping 100 yards from the military speaks volumes for pakistans involvement. Nobody can say people did not know he was there.
Now the fact of IF he is dead.....No body, no pictures, or they are being doctored....? He is worth more alive for what they will eventually get him to say than dead. I find it odd he was buried out to sea SO fast. They say to respect muslim tradition? Who the hell cares at that point? Did he care about the 3000+ and their traditions? If he IS dead and not in some off the books prison we will never know for sure. We will only ever hear what they want us to hear and what the news garbage regurgitates for us. -
@unknownuser said:
Didn't he brag about it on tape?
Read the first comment anther the video...
Who made this video? My old mobile phone camera could do a way better.
To me it looks like a scene from Rambo movie
I watch South park instead of news. There is far more truth in it. http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152966/ive-got-stevie-nicksJuan :
@unknownuser said:JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE
No need of Court
No need of anything____________________________-
That is very hard.I agree.
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Taking the comment at its word is no different then the other position. I looked at the images, and to me it looks like OBL.
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@frederik said:
@srx said:
How do you know OBL was guilty?
Sorry... What a lame question is that...?? Should I interpret your question as OBL would be innocent...??You may be reading a little too much in what he said. Look at it this way: we (me included) assume Bin Laden was 9/11's culprit. Given none of us are high-ranking CIA officers, our opinions may very well be just that, opinions. It's never a bad thing to question one's own assertion of things. Mental hygiene, eh?
@frederik said:
@juanv.soler said:
JUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE
No need of Court
No need of anythingExactly... None of the above was needed in this case...
OBL was killed like a coward - just as he deserved...He should've been hauled into court. As civilized people, we should adhere to civilized modi operandi. For our own sakes.
That said, for all I know they wanted to bring him to court. WTF do I know? Nada. I make a mean curry, though. -
I was shocked when I read the news
@unknownuser said:President Obama was watching on a TV screen as a commando gunned down Osama bin Laden. Via a video camera fixed to the helmet of a U.S. Navy Seal, the leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye.
...there is a picture of "careful watchers" also...
whats next? Are you going to watch this kind of "program" every day on your TV? To be more secure and free?
The Dark side. -
Do you doubt that Al Qaida was responsible for 9/11, that OBL was its leader and founder? Birds of a feather flock together.
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Of course we are right to take every news report with a pinch of salt. However it has been reported that it was the intent to take him alive if that was at all possible...but he had previously stated that he wouldn't be taken alive; and that seems to be the case...brandishing a weapon, hiding behind a woman. Special forces are human too. If I'd been one of them, I'd have had no intention of becoming another of his victims, just so he could be given a fair trial.
It does seem quite extraordinary that he was tracked down to a compound only half a mile from the Pakistani equivalent of Sandhurst or West Point...with all the military comings and goings that that implies. Somebody had to know he was there...or maybe a case of hiding in plain sight?
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@unknownuser said:
we (me included) assume Bin Laden was 9/11's culprit.
Please leave me out...
To me it's a fact that he was the leader of Al Qaida and even claimed himself to be the 9/11 culprit...
I don't need any further evidence...@unknownuser said:
Given none of us are high-ranking CIA officers, our opinions may very well be just that, opinions. It's never a bad thing to question one's own assertion of things. Mental hygiene, eh?
Point noted...
@unknownuser said:
He should've been hauled into court. As civilized people, we should adhere to civilized modi operandi. For our own sakes.
Oohhh... As far as I know they did try to capture him, but he was "lost in action"...
@frederik said:
I have a feeling how this thread can evolve...
None of the "usual" conspiracy theorists have chimed in - yet...
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stinkie That should be fair.This picture of Hitler and Osama...what do you mean?...
Hitler was named as a leader of one of the greatest power on the Earth...so he could do what he have done because the German people was not asking themselves is it right?...he gave them jobs.Osama is nothing like this...
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@honoluludesktop said:
..., and Lincoln's commitment to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, there would be two countries today.
Not to get too off-topic, but...
Sorry, but your understanding of Lincoln's commitment to the Constitution is a bit skewed. Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus and arrested 1000's without a warrant during the war. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the Lincoln was able to prevent the United States to be split in two. I'm not happy that he had to do it unconstitutionally.
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We are all schizoid from time to time. No different from some of the procedures that give Homeland Security its powers. To his credit, he passed the 14th amendment two years after the war started.
The similarities between Hitler, and Osama, were drawn by Time. A pair of charismatic leaders that influenced a large number of people to inhuman acts, genocide of a race, and the use of children as bombs.
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