Making mountains out of meltdowns (in Japan)
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@tfdesign said:
Well I got to give it to you lulu, you win first prize for being the single one man out of thousands on the SketchUcation forum who has truly made....
Thanks, it's not just another pretty face. If you did the calculations, you would find the contaminated water in the building is up to 43,000 mSv.
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@honoluludesktop said:
Thanks, it's not just another a pretty face. If you did the calculations, you would find the contalinated water in the building is up to 43,000 MSV.
Ah nice to see that the architectural assistant turned nuclear scientist, is once again explaing through a series of pretty pictures and his vast experience of nuclear physics calculations the horror that is unfolding in Japan.
"MSV"? "Motor Sport Vehicle"? It may as well be! After all these posts you have continued the attempt to belittle me with your fancy numbers, without, anywhere even trying to explain, and without pointing to some external link, just exactly what these measurements are supposed to reveal or show! And you have the nerve to call me 'absurd'.
It's also quite enlightening as well as refreshing to see that you have completely forgotten about the other side to this story, the thousands of misplaced men, women and children who have either lost their lives or their homes through no fault of their own. Yet here you are again, boring the pants off me with your expert calculations, with not yet a single explanation!
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@tfdesign said:
After all these posts you have continued the attempt to belittle me with your fancy numbers
I'm sorry, but I'm under the distinct impression it's you that's doing the belittling. Please stop it.
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@unknownuser said:
@tfdesign said:
After all these posts you have continued the attempt to belittle me with your fancy numbers
I'm sorry, but I'm under the distinct impression it's you that's doing the belittling. Please stop it.
You too mate. You make some inflammatory comment on this forum elsewhere about how bad Americans are. You are no better.
Please 'stop it'? Are you a moderator? Why should I stop being able to use reason in a debate? That notion is ridiculous. It also borders on the idea that the rules ("the science"?) are/is set in stone, and how dare anyone dare to challenge them/it. What sort of democracy is it we have if ideas cannot be raised as well as challenged?
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@marian said:
We offer freedom. Which should not be equated with happiness....but if people who now live in a society based on Sharia law, where women are sentenced to death or prison for the crime of being raped etc, won't be happier when they would be free then I think I may be part of another species.
Except we don't really offer 'freedom', only a western engineered version of 'democracy'. The answer lies in opening all borders right across the planet, where people can choose where they want to live or migrate to. If an Arab state wants sharia law, then fine (I too am not a fan, but some, including many women, feel that it is the way forward- for them). Those who oppose it can choose to live elsewhere.
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your takes on this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChLrPR_r8M&feature=player_embedded#at=128 -
Sensationalism in the working.
Listen to what they actually say at 3.48.
Then there is the blip of iodine isotope that is turning up in milk in nyc. Up goes the cnn headline at the bottom of the screen- it's official, its a crisis! God help us all! Preposterous. Have these journalists got anything better to do?
And it's our friendly well paid American Astrophysicist Michio Kaku. Looks Japanese, actually is an American. And a very good self publicist. I'm sure he wants to get in on the action, feel the love (get paid $$$ for doing the job of the people). It's all so darn cynical!
Like Kaku, I'm anti-nuclear war, but unlike Kaku I'm not anti-nuclear energy, if nuclear science is used for humanitarian purposes.
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What happen if a new big earth quake arrives in Japan?
We are dancing on the volcano
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@unknownuser said:
What happen if a new big earth quake arrives in Japan?
We are dancing on the volcanoWell yes, you have a point there. But the origin of this thread wasn't about what happens after the next big one, it was about people in the west making a huge fuss about a crappy old nuclear power station- the exact same model that was also responsible for the 3 mile island accident in the USA (where again no one was killed), but more importantly, the emphasis made by hysterical liberals in the west while thousands of innocent men, women and children were either missing or dead in northern Japan.
For a nuclear power station that was only supposed to survive a wave that was only so many meters high, it fared pretty well. And the only death so far from within the power station has been one guy who apparently died from a heart attack. When you consider the ratio between this and what happened elsewhere, it wants to make me both puke and cry that we in the west can be so utterly selfish, as not really to be bothered about the real victims of this terrible catastrophe.
I think I've said far more than enough.
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That is reasonnable?
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@unknownuser said:
That is reasonnable?
@unknownuser said:
Onkalo, a colossal underground tomb being built in Finland, 500 metres below the earth – supposedly impervious to any event on the surface and far away from any possible earthquake danger: its purpose is to house thousands of tonnes of radioactive nuclear waste. Onkalo is the first storage site of its kind, and Madsen interviews the various technicians, scientists, legislators and commentators involved in this awe-inspiring project.
If managed correctly, yes. If it will help us power the research needed to eventually reward us with the holy grail that is nuclear fusion,as well as power our schools, homes and hospitals, then a great big resounding YES!
Everyone loves a disaster flick don't they? What makes this latest green sensationalist monstrosity any different from any other environmental disaster movie that has proceeded it? Asteroids and spacemen falling to earth? Paul Ehrlich and his merryband of merry Malthusians? Next you'll be telling us that we need better birth control, and that we should be encouraged not to have children.
None of this baloney in this video has ever come true.....
....but as soon as Orson Wells announced that aliens had arrived from mars, many fled for the hills. That's no joke.
[flash=560,349:2qppydzu]http://www.youtube.com/v/OfpSXI8_UpY?version=3[/flash:2qppydzu]
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@tfdesign said:
Please 'stop it'? Are you a moderator? Why should I stop being able to use reason in a debate? That notion is ridiculous.
No, I'm not a mod. How's that even relevant? And I didn't say you shouldn't use reason in a debate. But then you know that.
@tfdesign said:
It also borders on the idea that the rules ("the science"?) are/is set in stone, and how dare anyone dare to challenge them/it. What sort of democracy is it we have if ideas cannot be raised as well as challenged?
I do beg your pardon. I somehow overlooked how you're a one-man philosophical vanguard redefining the way we ought to interact with each other, operating in a realm jenseits von Gut und Böse. I just assumed you were having a passive-aggresive wank-a-thon. My bad!
@tfdesign said:
You too mate. You make some inflammatory comment on this forum elsewhere about how bad Americans are. You are no better.
Do post a link, will you? I've commented on American foreign policy a number of times, but I'm reasonably certain I've never stated Americans are 'bad' per se.
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All power is nuclear if you trace it back to its source. I just don't see the advantage of centralized power generation, when solar, wind and tidal are so abundant. Solar is not expensive, it is just over-priced while we go through the dark ages of nuclear-based petroleum. Have you ever heard the argument about overcast days and it being dark at night as an argument against solar. What is petroleum other than decayed plant material. Those plants were grown by solar energy and that energy was stored in the oil. And that solar energy came from our primary nuclear generating station which is the sun. So oil is a battery made of nuclear/solar generated biomass. In ten years we will go from 12 to 20 percent solar efficiency to near 80 percent efficiency. We have the knowledge and basic technology and the time lag is just a function of going through the phase of engineering refinement. The length of the lag will be moderated by the roadblocks raised by political conservatism. However, conservatism will fall harder than the Berlin wall as the floodgates of pent up energy demand and the rising price of oil collide. May not happen in my life time, but it could also happen in less than 10 years.
The problem with nuclear is the problem of trusting overly complex system to fallible humans and the vagaries of nature.
Also when designing for solar don't do your calcs solely on the energy created. Make sure your solar designs also use the panels to shade the roofs and walls of the buildings you are air conditioning and take full advantage of the passive solar savings. And use water systems to cool your panels and feed/that warm/hot water into your hot water heaters. Do your calcs on such integrated systems and I will listen to the results.
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Hi Roger, While I basically agree with you, we know that there is no free lunch. Off the Big Island (the island of Hawaii), some are considering the feasibility of heat exchange in a deep trench adjacent to the coast line. Sounds good, but I wounder about the environmental impact? How is the energy transmitted up the island chain? Is that kind of investment susceptible to earthquakes, and tsunamis? Before we jump, solid research needs to be done. In the mean time it appears that the US at least, might need to expand proven Nuclear technology. In any case IMO we should eventually move off the Nuclear standard, unless it can be made safer, and disposal taken care of.
There is the joke about the first moon lander vehicle, that it was built by the lowest bidder.:) I wonder what happened to Kevin Costner's oil clean up device in the Gulf disaster.
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Hono, If you want to do heat exchange, UPS me a cooler of onshore Hawaiian breeze and I will return it filled with some of our 114 degree desert air flavored with smoke from our forest fires.
I am not too worried about nuclear disaster here. The local newspaper printed a diagram showing a 48-mile evacuation zone around the Palo Verde Nuclear plant in case of disaster. Luckily I am 49 miles away so I have no worries.
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@unknownuser said:
Luckily I am 49 miles away so I have no worries.
And hopefully the wind never flows on your side
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OK, Frenchy you do have a point, but at least I don't have to worry about Tsunami.
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Our only nuclear plant (producing around 40-45% of the power needs of the nation) is about 100 kms away from me (and the wind generally blows in another direction) so I am not worried about tsunamis either.
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@gaieus said:
Our only nuclear plant (producing around 40-45% of the power needs of the nation) is about 100 kms away from me (and the wind generally blows in another direction) so I am not worried about tsunamis either.
Well, tsunami is the only thing that could shake things up in my godforsaken city. Otherwise we´re at the serious risk of dying of boredom
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Since retirement, I occasionally watch court TV. Whenever the party the Judge is going to rule against begins their nervous smiles, the Judge will always tell them to wipe the smile off their faces, then bring down the gavel down against them. No nuclear power in Hawaii yet (unless you count the Navy berth in Pearl Harbor), but all of our power plants (at least on the island of Oahu) are next to the ocean, or water connected and close by the ocean. If a Tsunami hits us, those that are not inundated will be without power for a long while.
Mean while more bad news for Japan.
@unknownuser said:
Radioactive strontium detected in seabed
Radioactive strontium has been detected for the first time on the seabed near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
Tokyo Electric Power Company says it found strontium-89 and -90 in the seabed soil. The company conducted a survey on June 2nd about 3 kilometers off the coast at 2 locations, some 20 kilometers north and south of the nuclear complex.
The substances pose a serious health risk because they can accumulate in the bones if inhaled, which could cause cancer.
Up to 44 becquerels per kilogram of strontium-90 were detected, which has a half-life of 29 years.
The substances had been detected before in soil on land and in seawater following the nuclear accident in March.
A member of the government's Nuclear Safety Commission, Shigeharu Kato, says more examination should be carried out to find out if or how the substances can accumulate in marine life.
The fishery ministry conducted separate surveys. It did not find radioactive strontium in fish and seafood samples taken off the coast of Ibaraki and Chiba prefectures. Both are located south of the Fukushima plant.
Tuesday, June 28, 2011 08:54 +0900 (JST)
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