I'm thinking Apple maybe like Murphy's dog!
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Mike
Post the Murphy joke in the corner bar "do we have a joke thread going here" section!
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This feels good. I've never liked them for their closed down take on development. I still don't understand how a company that is SOO oposed to open-ness (in their hardware and software development) has taken such a strong hold in the counter-culture of young USA... Anyhow, feels godd to see them finally showing their true colors a little clearer.
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Have to say I feel exactly like Chris...
Thinking about all the criticism Microsoft has taken over the past years, I also don't understand why Apple have so many "disciples"... Really... It's like a religion...
Wonder if their next slogan will be something like: "Do you believe"...During the past half year I've been working on Mac and I'm not impressed at all....
Although I can agree that they are very intuitive and have really nice design and graphics, I really can't say it's as stable as my Windows 'puter is...
Very often I see applications shutting down with the message: "The application closed unexpected"
Unexpected... You can say that again...
Although I haven't worked on a Mac for as long as I've been working on Windows, I've lost more work with Mac...
At least MS is capable of recovering things when it shuts down, which in fairness happens very rarely...I wonder why so many people see Apple as the best thing next to sliced bread...
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Well for me, changing to Mac made life a lot simpler I must say. I occasionally get shutdowns but with autosaves etcI rarely loose much. I also like the look and feel of Apple stuff and the applications. Just because I like the Bar does not mean I have to like the Owner!
However I can see their point in relation to maintaining a closed shop when it come to certain things but I wish they would loosen up a bit in other areas.
I read Job's 'proclamation' regarding adobe Flash on the iPhone and iPad recently and while I must admit what he says makes some sense I still think users should be given the option of flash.
Still, its heartening to see a very active and talented group of iPhone and iPad hackers doing their thing. I would not be surprised if Apple put those tough looking bounty hunters on their trail
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i still think appholes sums it up perfectly!
BTW, there's a apple shaped meteor passing close to earth maybe you can all get together and catch it.
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meh.. same ol' same ol'
"the corporation i give money to is better than the corporation you give money to"
hilarious and disgusting at the same time
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Jeff, I agree, but it is quite refreshing now that Apple and Jobs are the evil ones for a change.
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@unknownuser said:
meh.. same ol' same ol'
"the corporation i give money to is better than the corporation you give money to"
hilarious and disgusting at the same time
i don't think anyone says microsoft is "better" ,but it seems lots of people have the need to say apple is better!
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@unknownuser said:
meh.. same ol' same ol'
"the corporation i give money to is better than the corporation you give money to"
hilarious and disgusting at the same time
I gotta kind of disagree too. I don't think Microsoft is better. Probably not many people do. BUT PC has not had a culture of elitists built up around it like Mac has (or well, if PC has, I have not noticed it since I'm probably a part of it?
). I've always wondered why the Mac elitists existed. Mac used to have graphics domination, but that just is not the case now, not for many years. Their closed development platform ensured that. Now they are turning anti-Adobe. Its like they are looking for every hand that ever fed them so they can bite it (ok, gross exaggeration. I don't speak out against Macs too often publicliy, but since someone else brought it up, apparently I feel a need to hop on the bandwagon 
).Chris
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Still, they look nice
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i guess my biggest gripe with mac vs pc (as an example.. this actually applies to all corporations etc) is that technological progress is hampered by these wars and we the users/consumers are the ones suffering And footing the bill.. and then we sit around arguing about the scraps
i'd like to elaborate my thoughts more but i just don't have the time to do so right now.
that said, apple has become the epitome of this anti progress.. (well maybe not THE epitome.. i guess that would be the oil companies)
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All too true. Except I would add banks in their with the oil companies. Seems like we work hard to earn our money. They work hard to figure out devilish ways to skim off the top of our money. bleh.
Anyhow, I suppose this whole Mac vs PC business is why so many people are in love with Linux?
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I bet it's just an image.
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Hardware and software is inseparable. However WinPCs are commodities, whereas an OSXPc is a boutique computer. Both are priced accordingly. I wounder if Apples, as boutique products, can exist without PCs, or remain a boutique item if they had a substantial market share. Like makers of other boutique products, Vuitton, Channel, Rolex, etc., they aggressively protect their "brand" name. That $10,000.00 hand bag is made of better fabric, but like razor blades, the cost of its materials is a negligible part of its perceived value. Carrying one however, provides status and style.
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Hi folks.
I have used Apple computers since the Apple II era. I bought one in 1978.
After that, I bought a Mac every 10 years (yes ... ten). One in 1987, one in 1997 and my last one in 2007.
My motto is : find the computer that will run the software that you need and that will do it well, be easy to learn. In short, an efficient combination of software and hardware.
At work, I was able to use Macs from 1987 to 1997. After that, I was forced to switch to PCs. I adapted, and still do every day since I use a PC at work and a Mac at home.
There are not that many differences.
The PC works well and crash sometimes (about once or twice a week). I have to reboot and wait about 10 minutes (yes ... ten) for all the security scans and whatnot stuff to be loaded before I can resume work. Maybe this four years old machine is good for retirement.
The Mac don't crash often although I installed a few gadgets here and there. In fact, it don't crash. Applications quit sometime untexpectedly. Only a very few and only rarely. I just restart the application. No need to reboot. And, If I need to reboot, it takes 40 seconds on snow Leopard (10.6.3) or 20 seconds on a barebone Tiger (10.4.11) installed on my external hard drive.
This machine simply do what I tell it to do, period.
Guess which computer I prefer ?
It is not because of the name, it is because of the efficiency.
Similar to SketchUp efficiency.
For me, an efficient tool is a tool that don't interpose itself between me and the job I want to do.
Just ideas.
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Well said Jean ..... as per usual
For me, Macs have saved me quite a bit of money over the past 4 years in the fact that I have only once had to call to a service guy and this cost nothing! On average when I was using PC / Win I had to employ a service guy at least two or three times a year at average of €120 per visit. the equates to €120 x 3 x 4 = €1400! Putting that figure along with what my current 3 year old machine is worth on a trade-in (€1000 - 1200) will get me a new MacBook Pro.
I think the reason I had so many serious unrecoverable crashes is because I am always loading, checking out and unloading new programs. I still check out new stuff just as much but with no ill effects to the Mac.
Jean mentions efficiency as being the key to success. I think the fact that Macs and their OS have been put together and fine tuned by a single company must be the key to producing a reliable machine. This being the case I can also understand and partially agree with the 'closed shop' company policy of Apple.
Mike (apphole)
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@mike lucey said:
Well said Jean ..... as per usual
I think the reason I had so many serious unrecoverable crashes is because I am always loading, checking out and unloading new programs. I still check out new stuff just as much but with no ill effects to the Mac.
Mike (apphole)
that's because you can't get half the programs for mac, to check out.
you apphole!
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Even the virus writers don't support the Mac OS
Seriously though folks, I started in Unix, migrated to Mac OS [I used to be an 'expert AppleScripter'] then to PC et al - I know it's the wrong way round
It's a bit like the current election fiasco in the UK... each has their good points and each their bad, we need a coalition, but with the Lib-Dems as Linux , Lab/Con as Mac/PC or perhaps vice versa ? It ain't goin' to happen soon.....
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