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Ecuadorian

I understood "at this level" as referring to what is obviously a negative campaign of attacking its main competitor. That's pretty low from Apple. I'm glad Ballmer, clueless and sweaty as he is, does not resort to openly attacking the competition in TV commercials. Instead, he prefers to amuse us with his craziness.

Mike Lucey

It looks like MS have made a good job of Win7, just read thisOS deathmatch: Snow Leopard vs. Windows 7 by Preston Gralla
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137182/OS_deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_vs._Windows_7

@solo said:

I have a Mac 20" intel dual core, I have not had many problems with it so far, however that's 'cos there really is not much software worth shit that works on it.
So it is now my official oversized Ipod...works great as an ipod, but for serious work I rely on my PC.

I hear this quite a lot Pete. What programs can you cite?

solo

Mike, I only need to mention one, one I need daily...Vue, even though there is a Mac version it sucks, getting full Mac 64 bitsupport with Vue has proven almost impossible.
There are many others that do not work on Mac, I do not know them off the top of my head as I do not use a Mac for real work hence I have not had to be disappointed. With that said, if Mac was compatible with frequently needed apps then Boot-camp, VM, parallels and so forth would not be Macs most used apps.

Mike Lucey

Point taken.

pav_3j

i run both, and each has their issues.

IMO though macs are for posers, that was the only reason i got one, i do still use it for the odd thing, but i will always end up going back to my pc.

a guy at uni kept banging on about his mac, it does this, it does that blah blah blah.
he asked me what i have, and i told him about my current rig, and he kept going and slagging of my computer saying macs were the best etc.

then i asked him how much his cost, and told him what i got for my money.

never seen someone shut up so quickly.

another point, if microsoft made ads like these, i bet you a pound they'd be vilified, that's probably the only thing stopping them.

rude apple, just rude!

pav

dale

I just like the tinkly music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv__357JYXU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id_kGL3M5Cg&NR=1

david_h

I don't know that much about Macs. .. I used an original macintosh in 1984. . .after that .. .nada.

I do like the "trust me" ad for mac.
[flash=853,505:2mz05qeh]http://www.youtube.com/v/1ZOop-mnKEk[/flash:2mz05qeh]

by the way . .this is my first embedded video. I didn't know how to do it before. The light shines down . . .!

Looks like I still did it wrong. It's too big.

solo

Anyone notice that the PC guy's fashion was according to the era regardless how cheesy it was yet the Mac guy hardly changed.

These are desperate Mac days.

Ecuadorian

@solo said:

according to the era regardless how cheesy it was

This reminded me of something...

tim

@solo said:

These are desperate Mac days.

Sure - 'beleagured Apple Computer' and so on. They really are having it tough in these trying economic times. sales are drastically down, not making any money, laying off everybody.... oh, wait, no. Dang.

If you don't like Macs, don't use them. I can't stand Windows - so guess what? I don't use it anymore! Wow, we can all be happy. You can feel smug about only paying $X for your box and I can feel smug about being less annoyed by my computer. Everyone wins!

And while you're claiming that you Dell/HP/whatever is so much cheaper than an Apple, somebody else will be sneering at you for having wasted money on a pre-built machine when everyone knows you can build your own monster machine sooooo much cheaper by getting a case from here (just take care putting your hands anywhere inside it, sharp edges dontcha know?) and a motherboard from there and a CPU from this guy down the bar and a disk from Fred who seems to get them off the back of delivery trucks and download some OS from a radK00l site. And somebody else will be sneering at them for being such a dweeb for wanting a computer in the first case because pencil and paper is the only honest way to draw and dammit you should bake your own charcoal anyway and make paper from the rest of the tree you felled your own self - using an axe you made from a bit of flint and some sinew taken off the limb you had to amputate last week after a hunting accident.

And as it happens I have built my own computers before now. I built the motherboard, helped design the cpu, helped write the OS, made a case. Buying a Mac is a lot less painful.

solo

Phew Jim, that was a mouthful....but you don't get it still

You are comparing Apples to Dells, we are talking about software not hardware.
We are talking about those negative adverts that Apple feels best sells their product.

You mention Lot's about hardware, but we are talking about software, operating systems, specifically Snow Leopard and Windows 7, I do not see the Mac ads mentioning Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Acer, etc, no, they are attacking Microsoft windows.

jeff hammond

are the ads really that offensive?
stupid? maybe but...

[edit] fwiw, that japanese version is great
i wish they'd air those ones in the u.s.

jeff hammond

haha

[flash=640,505:23i6o4bx]http://www.youtube.com/v/bm7JH1FT_yM&hl=en&fs=1&[/flash:23i6o4bx]

Ecuadorian

Wow, Tim. I didn't know you worked in electronics in the past. Care to share more details?

Mike Lucey

Okay, how about, 'Macs are for Dummies' ie. people that don't like or are not able to tweak and configure their computers also are a little tight fisted when it comes to paying for Service Contracts but don't mind paying extra for 'bling'

solo

Who has a service contract? I've never had one, never needed one either.

xrok1

well for me (and i think a lot of others) part of the joy of owning a pc is to see what you can get out of it. anyone can get a mac (or brand name pc) off the shelf and use it. so what! its like buying a hot rod and not tuning it? why? integrated graphics, integrated sound, phewey. give me upgrades or give me death.

pbacot

Xrok,

I think your rod analogy is appropriate and I assume half-serious. I have a Mac, and I didn't buy it in order to fix it. I don't want to be a computer expert. And I am not saying Macs are foolproof either. I also have it because it runs the software I use the most, mostly not available on PC.

These Mac Ads have been around a long time, not just when a new Windows product comes out. They are not getting desperate. Mac has always been desperate in the sense that they are not even close to Windows in market share. I do enjoy using Macs, but the Ads are over the top. I think the obnoxious nature is part of their humor.

Mac owners who make a big deal about it ARE posers. And Windows users who consider them posers are just jealous. Either way. It's like the saying. "Hey iPhone owners: you only bought an iPhone, you didn't invent it."

Peter

notareal

Jeff, that was great.

dacad

This is a war so old...and there's so much more, on each side, on youtube.
In my humble opinion macs have two things that make them better for people in design business, better use of ram memory and displays with better brightnesse/contrast. The bad thing: you can put it however you want it but in the end, it's not worth all the money they ask for it, especcially after win7.
I bough a pc this month for around 900 (i7 920 overclocked to 3.8gh and 6Gg triple chanel at 1600) and there's no way in hell i could buy a mac that could come close, even without the OC. And with the rest of the money i had left over i could put extra 6Gg of ram and buy a pantone colour calibrator for my display, completing putting aside 2 great beneficts of using macs, and turning a better pc even better comparing to the mac...

But this war will never end, especcially after one of the apple directors said that trying to buy an eqqual pc to mac would allways be more expensive. Why?because for him, we would need to buy a lot of software to be at par with the mac, one of them beeing PHOTOSHOP...lololol, yes because when we buy a mac, who needs photoshop, even elements version...lolol.

I even have friends that had a mac but had to run windows on it when they wanted to work...what sense does this make?
Anyway, i try to pass aside this, because i think everyone should always use what better suits them, beeing windows or mac, but that's something fanboys of each side won't ever understand.
For me, it's the better performance i can get for my money.