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    • Chris FullmerC Offline
      Chris Fullmer
      last edited by

      This is all over my head. But I won't let that stop me from responding 😄

      The Ruby installed with SketchUp is a very minimal install. It is missing many major support files, methods, classes, etc., that might come with the full install. So I do not know what st_lookup is, but if it is a method or external file, then you will need to include it as a separate file with your installation, and have SU Ruby load it before attempting to load your script, so that your script will have access to it.

      That is all I have to offer though. If it is more complex than that, I am out of ideas,

      Chris

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      • thomthomT Offline
        thomthom
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        @metasim said:

        (matching the 1.8.5 that appears to be in Sketchup currently)

        I thought it was 1.8.0 ...

        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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        • thomthomT Offline
          thomthom
          last edited by

          Checked in SU7.1 just to be sure they haven't updated it:

          ` Object::RUBY_VERSION

          1.8.0`

          Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
          List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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          • RunnerPackR Offline
            RunnerPack
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            I'm going to provide my "armchair CS major" version of what I think is going on. 😉

            I've had some experience with SWIG and Ruby extensions and, from what I've read, the wrapper/extension has to be linked to the same libruby that was linked with the ruby runtime, i.e. the executable called "ruby" (or "ruby.exe" for the win32 version) in a stand-alone installation.

            In SketchUp's case, the environment is inside the SketchUp executable, and the libruby included (in my SU7.1/win32 install) is 'msvcrt-ruby18.dll'.

            So, what you need to do is find out how to link against a 1.8.0 version of the ruby library. It goes without saying that said library also has to be compiled for the same machine/OS as the one SU is using. Actually, the one extension I compiled for SU was linked against the 1.8.7 version of "msvcrt-ruby18.dll" and still worked (well, it didn't actually work, but that was because it also used OpenGL for graphics, but it didn't crash SU, at least).

            Ideally, you would link to the actual library included in the SU installation. I think on OSX it would be called "libruby-1.8.dylib" (or something like that).

            Of course, having absolutely no experience with OSX, I don't know how to deal with things like multiple processor architecture support and such, or even whether that applies to this situation 😆.

            A bit long-winded, but I hope it helps 😄

            You might have noticed... I'm a bit of a ferpectionist.

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              metasim
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              @thomthom said:

              Checked in SU7.1 just to be sure they haven't updated it:

              ` Object::RUBY_VERSION

              1.8.0`

              I should have been clear about versions:

              I'm running Sketchup 7.1 (7.1.4870) on MacOS 10.5.8. This is what I get from the ruby console:
              > Object::RUBY_VERSION 1.8.5

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              • J Offline
                Jim
                last edited by

                I thought SketchUp used the already installed Ruby on Macs, and ships with a .dll on Windows?

                What happens when a Mac user upgrades to Ruby 1.9? Do the differences between platforms continue to diverge when in fact they need to unite?

                Hi

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                  metasim
                  last edited by

                  @runnerpack said:

                  ...
                  Ideally, you would link to the actual library included in the SU installation. I think on OSX it would be called "libruby-1.8.dylib" (or something like that).
                  ...
                  A bit long-winded, but I hope it helps 😄

                  Actually it helps quite a bit. Pointing out that the ruby runtime was "minimalist" is a good hint. On MacOS the libraries, resources, etc. are provided as "Framework" bundles. Normally a Framework bundle contains the header files and libraries, and older versions of Sketchup had the "minimalist" header files. Now even those are missing, leaving the Framework bundle as mostly empty directories with the exception of a single file called "Ruby", which is (confusingly) the shared library and not the interpreter (no idea why they leave the extension off in Frameworks).

                  So that's my long-winded way of saying that your arm-chair analysis gives me a coule things to try out 😄 Thanks!

                  Simeon

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                  • thomthomT Offline
                    thomthom
                    last edited by

                    @metasim said:

                    @thomthom said:

                    Checked in SU7.1 just to be sure they haven't updated it:

                    ` Object::RUBY_VERSION

                    1.8.0`

                    I should have been clear about versions:

                    I'm running Sketchup 7.1 (7.1.4870) on MacOS 10.5.8. This is what I get from the ruby console:
                    > Object::RUBY_VERSION 1.8.5

                    That's interesting...
                    I'm using SU7.1.4871 on PC

                    Wonder why the different platforms has different builds...

                    Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                    List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                      metasim
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                      @jim said:

                      I thought SketchUp used the already installed Ruby on Macs, and ships with a .dll on Windows?
                      ...

                      While Ruby is included in modern MacOS versions, applications can have their own versions (of most any library) in their application bundle. In this case it's "SketchUp.app/Contents/Frameworks/Ruby.framework". Compared to the system Ruby Framework, it's very sparse:

                      Sketchup.app/Contents/Frameworks

                      Ruby.framework
Ruby.framework/Resources
Ruby.framework/Ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions
Ruby.framework/Versions/A
Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Resources
Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj
Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings
Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Info.plist
Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions/Current

                      /System/Library/Frameworks

                      Ruby.framework
Ruby.framework/Headers
Ruby.framework/Resources
Ruby.framework/Ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/config.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/defines.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/digest.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/dl.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/dlconfig.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/dln.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/dtrace.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/env.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/intern.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/missing.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/node.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/re.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/regex.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/ruby.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/rubyio.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/rubysig.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/st.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/util.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers/version.h
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Resources
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Resources/English.lproj
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Resources/English.lproj/InfoPlist.strings
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Resources/Info.plist
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Resources/version.plist
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/Ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/erb
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/gem
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/gem_mirror
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/gemlock
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/gemri
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/gemwhich
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/irb
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/rdoc
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ri
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/testrb
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/update_rubygems
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/lib
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/lib/libruby.1.dylib
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/lib/libruby.dylib
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/lib/ruby
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/share
Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/share/ri
Ruby.framework/Versions/Current
...
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                      The fact that Google doesn't include the header files that it used in its version of the ruby runtime makes it a little bit tricky to compile with Swig (and cmake, in my case); you kinda have to mix and match Framework components.

                      Simeon

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                        metasim
                        last edited by

                        Success!

                        Forcing the linking of the shared library in Sketchup.app was the trick (can't just add it to the library search path).

                        For other cmake users, here's the CMakeLists.txt fragment that did the trick:

                        CMakeLists.txt

                        
...
find_package(Ruby REQUIRED)
if(HAVE_SKETCHUP)
    set(SKETCHUP "/Applications/Google\ SketchUp\ 7/SketchUp.app")
    set(SKETCHUP_RUBY "${SKETCHUP}/Contents/Frameworks/Ruby.framework")
    set(SWIG_RUBY_LIB "${SKETCHUP_RUBY}/Ruby")
else()    
    set(SWIG_RUBY_LIB "${RUBY_LIBRARY}")
endif()    

swig_add_module(${RUBY_MODULE_NAME} ruby "${INTERFACE_FILES}")
include_directories(${RUBY_INCLUDE_PATH})
swig_link_libraries(${RUBY_MODULE_NAME} "${MYEXTENSION_LIB}" "${SWIG_RUBY_LIB}") 
...

                        Interestingly, when linking against this, MacOS is smart enough to encode the path to the Ruby library relative to the executable, so that if Sketchup.app is installed in a different location, it still works fine:

                        otool -L MyExtension.bundle

                        
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Ruby (compatibility version 1.8.0, current version 1.8.5)
	/usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.4.0)
	/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0)
	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 111.0.0)

                        I hope someone else finds this useful. I'm glad I don't have to resort to a client/server type implementation and associated headaches.

                        Thanks for all your help!

                        Simeon

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                          MaistorKokir
                          last edited by

                          @metasim said:

                          Success!

                          Forcing the linking of the shared library in Sketchup.app was the trick (can't just add it to the library search path).

                          For other cmake users, here's the CMakeLists.txt fragment that did the trick:

                          CMakeLists.txt

                          
> ...
> find_package(Ruby REQUIRED)
> if(HAVE_SKETCHUP)
>     set(SKETCHUP "/Applications/Google\ SketchUp\ 7/SketchUp.app")
>     set(SKETCHUP_RUBY "${SKETCHUP}/Contents/Frameworks/Ruby.framework")
>     set(SWIG_RUBY_LIB "${SKETCHUP_RUBY}/Ruby")
> else()    
>     set(SWIG_RUBY_LIB "${RUBY_LIBRARY}")
> endif()    
> 
> swig_add_module(${RUBY_MODULE_NAME} ruby "${INTERFACE_FILES}")
> include_directories(${RUBY_INCLUDE_PATH})
> swig_link_libraries(${RUBY_MODULE_NAME} "${MYEXTENSION_LIB}" "${SWIG_RUBY_LIB}") 
> ...
>

                          Interestingly, when linking against this, MacOS is smart enough to encode the path to the Ruby library relative to the executable, so that if Sketchup.app is installed in a different location, it still works fine:

                          otool -L MyExtension.bundle

                          
> 	@executable_path/../Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/A/Ruby (compatibility version 1.8.0, current version 1.8.5)
> 	/usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.4.0)
> 	/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0)
> 	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 111.0.0)
>

                          I hope someone else finds this useful. I'm glad I don't have to resort to a client/server type implementation and associated headaches.

                          Thanks for all your help!

                          Simeon

                          Thx Simeon ... Someone else did find this useful 😄

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                            DavidBluecame
                            last edited by

                            @metasim said:

                            Success!
                            [...]

                            I hope someone else finds this useful. I'm glad I don't have to resort to a client/server type implementation and associated headaches.
                            Simeon

                            Hello,

                            I've taken the time to register in SketchEducation just to be able to thank you for this excellent tip. Thanks to you I've been able to succeed after many headaches with my .bundle Swig/CMake generated Ruby/Sketchup extension files causing segfaults every time I used "require" to load them.

                            Linking against the Sketchup 2016 embedded Ruby library solved the problems and now I can use the extension!!

                            It was extremely useful. Thank you very much! 😄

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