Twilight render...
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Tom,
As for clay renders (as I was also interested in this part), just made a quick render at 1024 pixels width. I used the highest preset with soft shadows and came out in 3:47 minutes nicely.
The only material I "kept" was the water surface (aka "shiny window" if you like, in architectural renders) but also kept the cheesy SU water material so obviously it doesn't look very good.Then I tried with a much more reflective water (plus more bumps) and this one came out in 3:55
Still the native SU sky makes the water a bit too "bluish" - I guess I need some sky backgrounds to make it nicer looking (also experimenting more with water surfaces)(Model is a reconstruction of a 4th century Roman Fortress on the Danubian frontier excavated by Zsolt Mráv of the National Museum of Hungary and modelled by Gábor Orbán aka "Kephalos")
Edit: I used only one core on my machine for both images.
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I like the fortress Gaius! Is there much of it left on the site?
Here's an experimental image just to show what can be done with a 3 minute render and 3 minutes processing in GIMP. Twilight will be great in combination with usual sketchup output for all types of Dennis output etc. This just needs SU sketchy line image over the top and its done.
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Unfortunately not too much is left. The area is poor in stone material so later inhabitants used these forts as quarries practically.
I also wouldn't agree with some of the details (neither does "Kephalos") but the other archaeologist (who gigs it) insisted. That big, fat tower has a wall of 3 metres in width. I really doubt that it went all the way to the top like this (with those small windows) but you know, the customer is always right.
Nice Gimping BTW!
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Since this part is in the flood zone of the river, it would be understandable that they make it firm but up above the flood height, it's totally useless. (Not to mention the fact that the guy doesn't want a gate leading out from the fortress)
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No, it could be seen from the foundation.
(But I think we are going offtopic a little bit - let's not hijack this thread - maybe in a different one...)
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Going on with playing around the clay model. Here I used some bumps (orininal image) on the wall and the roof. Almost nothing can be see on the roof so I'm just baking another one ATM as an experiment. However this image took already 4:41 (almost a minute longer) i.e. indeed much depends on textures.
Finally one with a different roof texture as bump (although I may have overemphasised the size of the bump
) Also note that a bump is not a displacement map so never expect the same results (also tzhis roof texture is not the best either but at least similar to those Roman roof tiles)
This already took 4:59 minutes to finish.
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@gaieus said:
Going on with playing around the clay model...
Looks like fun! Definitely like the roof better, keep 'em coming! Have you seen the video tuts, Gaieus?
You can easily warm up your sun color a bit by choosing a very pale warm yellow, to warm up the overall rendering.Another fun way to quickly light for the Clay Renders is to set your sky to "Sky Color" and set the color to medium or light grey. (80%) and render with the clay setting. You can also choose a warm grey color if you like a warmer rendering.
Did you notice you can render edges if you like? This can be customized thickness for each seperate material. See the User Manual page 35 reference section on "Edge Lines" for the sizes of lines to use.
(Don't forget the interactive contrast control in the camera panel of the render window.)
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Ok, first let me say I'm impressed: first PR app I've tried that did something reasonable "out of the box", i.e. I picked a preset and hit render...got me going further from that alone. I'll most likely buy today and explore further at a higher resolution (I can only do that because the price is so reasonable and the first glance looks like I might actually add this to my workflow without an advance degree...expecting, of course, there are some tuts for PR dummies and a really, really good PR-to-english dictionary :`)
One thing, though: I wonder about the splatter-like soft shadows on the clay renders...I was hoping it was a resolution thing, but Gai's have the same effect. (The regular render mode doesn't seem to have the problem as bad?
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Tom, finally!!
Glad we had the chat yesterday, when I first tried Twilight I knew it was something you would be interested in as it's very easy to pick up and has many bells and whistles.
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Yeah, me too: I think my buddy in CT would be impressed with the clay renders...if he hadn't seen yours first :`)
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@tomsdesk said:
Ok, first let me say I'm impressed...
Thanks Tom!
glad to see you, glad you like it.@tomsdesk said:
One thing, though: I wonder about the ...soft shadows on the clay renders...
Which clay render setting are you using, exactly? (Have you noticed this prob. with other, higher qual. clay render presets?) I will take a look, but if you are looking for quick renderings, soft shadows will not have time to calc properly. Using a higher preset should clear them up nicely when you're ready for your 'final', but lower settings should be kept quick for lighting tests, right?
either way, I can make a clay render preset that has lower quality light calcs with high quality soft shadows if you like - just say the word (at the Twilight Forumplease). see you there
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Well I am registered there, will be downloading soon and will buy my personal copy tonight. I like what I see and any rendering engine that is simple inside SU has my attention, as it is usually short
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As a intermediate modeler with no rendering experience do people think Twilight would be a good way to go for me? I'm attracted by the low price and in the in SU approach.
- Martin
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Martin, I'd say yes. The UI is easy to navigate and understand, many presets for beginners to get immediate results yet for more advanced users there are settings available in order to get more juice out.
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Fletch, the file comments under the images I posted show the presets (I used the highest, I thought). Don't change anything on my account: I don't have a clue what I'm doing. Just wondering if I'm gonna get something better once I learn what to do...? (One of my seldom-clients went shithouse over a couple of Pete's v-ray clay renders, so thought it a good idea to see if I can at least get myself inside the ballpark :`)
Another question came up: it seems (I'm not sure yet) that when stopping a render I decide not to finish, then chosing another setting and hitting "render", it starts over but with the original setting again...? (Ex.: I tried a #08 easy on my first try at adding a reflective material to the windows, but after about 30min I got bored and stopped it, deciding to try the #07 high+ first. That was running an hour and a half and still looked half done when I closed the file. All of the other high+ renders I'd tried were done in around 5min...?)
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@solo said:
Martin, I'd say yes. The UI is easy to navigate and understand, many presets for beginners to get immediate results yet for more advanced users there are settings available in order to get more juice out.
This looks like a very promising app.
I tried the demo and just applied one the clay presets to one of my Dr Who models and it came out pretty good for someone who doesn't know what they're doing. I think I'll be ordering it when I get home and look forward to playing around with it this weekend. -
Dang... Looks as if my post have been hi-jacked...
Aaahhh well... Never mind...
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What post? What hijack??? (I tried to keep myself back....)
It's all about the Twilight Zone!
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@fletch said:
Have you seen the video tuts, Gaieus?
Sure I have
@unknownuser said:
You can easily warm up your sun color a bit by choosing a very pale warm yellow, to warm up the overall rendering.
Well I did so in the image below - and yeah, it does look different
@unknownuser said:
Another fun way to quickly light for the Clay Renders is to set your sky to "Sky Color" and set the color to medium or light grey.
What I did here instead ws to give the physical sky a bit of turbidity. Otherwise the same settings and scene (cool that it remembers everything) now at 4:36 minutes to accomplish.
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Csaba is now hooked...see kids this is how the dealers do it.
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