"I'm ready to lose control, but they're not"

JuanV.Soler

I think this is one of those debates in which both sides already made their minds, so any further discussion is useless.

not if stinkie puts an V after my Juan
)))))
we may go on and lead to clarity

Jackson

Sorry to do a quantum leap back to the first page of this topic, but that "500,000 plastic coffins" conspiracy theory (like most) is ludicrous. Firstly, they're not coffins, they're grave liners, designed to prevent the ground surface above a grave from collapsing in when the coffin rots away. Wow, the dark forces really want to keep neat graveyards, huh?.

Secondly, 500,000 grave liners sounds like a lot... unless you consider that 150,000 people die per year in the USA of lung cancer alone. So I'm guessing that 500,000 stockpiled grave liners wouldn't even be enough to maintain supply for every death by natural causes in 1 year in the United States.

Thirdly, lets just say the US government has ordered them in preparation for some mysterious fatal event- isn't that what they're supposed to do? Yet another example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"- If the government don't have the facilities or means to deal with the aftermath of events like Hurricane Katrina, they would be lambasted as reckless and unprepared..... but if they carry out risk analyses, emergency service and military drills, stockpile medical supplies and grave liners the conspiracy theory forums abound with "Ooooohhh, they knew it was going to happen.... no wait.... they MADE it happen!" Where's a yawn smiley when you need one? The puke smiley just seems inappropriate this time.

Stinkie

@marian said:

I think this is one of those debates in which both sides already made their minds, so any further discussion is useless.

Nice try. Would've worked if were primarely criticizing Tomasz's views. But I'm not, as I'm sure a careful reader would notice.

Marian

@unknownuser said:

@marian said:

I think this is one of those debates in which both sides already made their minds, so any further discussion is useless.

Nice try. Would've worked if were primarely criticizing Tomasz's views. But I'm not, as I'm sure a careful reader would notice.

Darn it.

tomasz

@jackson said:

Sorry to do a quantum leap back to the first page of this topic, but that "500,000 plastic coffins" conspiracy theory (like most) is ludicrous.

My point is that group makes sense for me only in case of a big global disaster and they simply want to escape it. Those containers, as you have stated, are supposed to be there in such a case.
I have not implied that they MAKE it happen! I just suggest that they do what they should if what the Red Elk have seen in his vision would happen.

Stinkie

whiny voice

Is that proof still coming, Tommie?

Alan Fraser

In the case of a global catastophe, the last thing on any survivor's mind would be burying the dead...especially using nice, tidy plastic coffins or liners. They'd be far more concerned with not joining the ranks of the dead themselves.
Ask anyone who has ever been in a situation of having to handle huge numbers of corpses...you don't use coffins; you use excavators.

tomasz

@alan fraser said:

In the case of a global catastophe, the last thing on any survivor's mind would be burying the dead...

It is exactly what Red Elk mentions. Those who survived would rather change places with those who has left this World. In case of deaths from hunger or thirst in high temperatures it is better to seal bodies well. Isn't it?

@unknownuser said:

Is that proof still coming, Tommie?

Nope, Stinkin'. You have received already all info required on which I have based my opinion. Two mentioned films are the most important.

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

Is that proof still coming, Tommie?

Nope, Stinkin'. You have received already all info required on which I have based my opinion. Two mentioned films are the most important.

Films. Those bold statements of yours are based on ... films.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Edit: I just have to know. What stopped you from concluding the WTC was destroyed by Godzilla? Mind you, this is very much a serious question.

Marian

I'm not supporting Tomasz, but you guys keep asking for evidence, and there may be none or very few, you don't ask a cop for evidence why he had a hunch following a succesful bust, or ask evidence for god, or ask for evidence why you love that girl, you may not know why, or you can't explain it in words, sometimes it's just a hunch or a leap of faith.
Granted that these examples don't compare to the questions why 911 is an inside job, but they show that people believe in stuff or feel stuff with much less evidence and questions than the ones 911 puts forth.
I say if Tomasz can't provide proof or valid arguments, but he still believes in what he believes then it's his choice, he's not obligated to provide any.

tomasz

@alan fraser said:

Those who doubt the news reports are required to provide evidence...

Alan, those two films are documents containing the news reports, the authors analyse them.

solo

Marian wrote:

@unknownuser said:

I say if Tomasz can't provide proof or valid arguments, but he still believes in what he believes

Hmmm, sound fimiliar??

They call that religion.

Marian

@solo said:

Marian wrote:

@unknownuser said:

I say if Tomasz can't provide proof or valid arguments, but he still believes in what he believes

Hmmm, sound fimiliar??

They call that religion.

Yes Solo that's towards where i was aiming discreetly, i mean what proof can you ask for the existnece of GOD, people are free to believe in anything they want, it's they're right, even if those things are not enough for you, it's enough for them.

Stinkie

True - but they shouldn't imply their beliefs are based on fact by insisting they posess proof. Bad form, that.

Alan Fraser

Tomasz, that's nonesense. If you are talking about a situation in which the majority of people die, the survivors are not going to be bothering themselves about burying all those bodies in hermetically sealed canisters simply to avoid disease. By far the simplest choice is to simply move to where there aren't any bodies...like out of the cities and into the countryside or onto the coast...where you actually stand a chance of finding something to eat.

In any case, the whole concept of a polarity shift (if that's what you are talking about) causing a wordwide cataclysm is, itself, total nonsense and very bad science. The geological records show that it happens fairly regularly and has almost certainly happened thousands of times before with no evidence of any kind of mass extinction. It's also far more likely to happen perhaps 2000 years from now than a mere 3. A magnetic polarity shift is an extreme inconvenience in this digital age, not a catastrophe. It wouldn't even affect most electronics; it switches extremely slowly...from months to millenia. It's not an electromagnetic pulse; and there's absolutely no reason why it would have any noticeable effect on the weather.

Back to the 9/11 question: Stinkie is absolutely right. Those who doubt the news reports are required to provide evidence...and much better evidence than some movie plot. Otherwise the rest of us have no more reason to doubt what has been reported than we do last Saturday's football results...or maybe they're a conspiracy too; designed to make millions for some gambling syndicate?

JuanV.Soler

again i think it is a matter of whether you have any doubt about the official saying, or you do not.
On the side of the official saying it is all said.
On the side of the un_official saying it is still cooking.
If you doubt the proofs and evidences of the official saying you are required to prove it.
Ok.
Fair enough.
only thing is that it should not be taken as an attack to usa democracy the people who investigates now.

In any case, we will probably never get to know what really happened. So may be the question is unprofitable.
Maybe the question should be, how is it that those towers were vanished because of the hate of the people who hates USA ?
Has USA done anything to them to be hated so greatly ?