Will "Change" really happen starting Tuesday?
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@rickw said:
So, if an anarchic "government" is not compulsory, how can it govern? (It's really a rhetorical question.)
History tends to repeat itself, and it seems to be repeating itself right now - looking at what happened in ancient Rome, and what's happening in the US. No, there are no guarantees, but the trends are there.
Consensus. Anarchists are not opposed to all form of governments just ones that monopolise and legalise state cohersion. I should add that I used to be an Anarcho-Syndicalist. We didn't reject organisation so long as it is not from top-down.
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On the subject of Obama making a difference. I think in terms of America's international standing he has already done a huge deal by the virtue of being in the White House. I for one wrote you guys off for the last 8 years now I really have to admire the US again. His success not only shows that the US is land of opportunity but land of EQUAL opportunity which is much harder.
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Don't give us too much credit, any democrat would have beaten McCain.
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@unknownuser said:
Don't give us too much credit, any democrat would have beaten McCain.
It didn't even take a democrat to beat him, he nailed himself with his choice of Palin as veep.
Not forget his sudden finding of religion to pander to the fundemental right and his changing of his core beliefs to fall inline with the extremists.
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The choice of Palin certainly didn't help, but beating McCain was not a monumental achievement. It was almost like victory through attrition. Had it been Romney though, it might have been a different outcome.
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YES most definitely! In a way has not 'change' started already? I never thought he would be elected. I thought that a Country that was capable of putting George Bush (twice) into power could never elect a Black President BUT they did. This is the FIRST change! Just read up on what he has done in the first few days, Guantanamo Bay http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/24/content_10711069.htm etc! I think many more good changes for the better are under way and will follow.
The power of speech is a fantastic thing. It can encourage us to reach for goals that we thought were out of reach. I think President Obama will continue to inspire not only US citizens but the rest of the World to get a handle on things before it is too late.
Mike
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Yes everything so far points to a better if not great presidency. I never thought of going to the US to visit my friends because of the Bush administration. Now I really feel like it. I didn't even realise that was the case until Obama got elected.
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@chango70 said:
...I never thought of going to the US to visit my friends because of the Bush administration. Now I really feel like it. I didn't even realise that was the case until Obama got elected.
My God!! This has to the bottom of the barrel when it comes to what's known as "Bush Derangement Syndrome". You got it bad, don't ya?
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The revulsion was so deep seated that I didn't even realise that was the reason...
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Here is an 'explorable' picture of the big day! http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c Use the controls on the top left hand corner to get around
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Check out Bush. It looks like he's in the middle of pinching one off.
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Gee Chango,
If you're just moldering away in London, DO COME OVER. Especially out west. There's a lot to the USA besides politics, and some of the people here are nice too!
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That's a cool picture (the explorable one). I don't know if it is the same process, but the CNN / Facebook people were showing a composite picture they were stitching (as they were submitted) from cellphone photographs sent in by the crowd. It looks like incredible technology and could eventually relate to placing models in more realistic virtual recreations of sites.
Thanks for posting.
I don't know how this thread can progress, because it depends on where you draw the line of real change, and for what issue. I am happy with the election, but I realize there are many things that the government will continue to do to disappoint me, because that's how it functions and these things just don't go away easily. We already know some of these intractable issue with our process. And things like the appointment of the Secretary of Agriculture show blatant support of the status quo. Other things are going to change, but slowly, because it is either imprudent to force the change or it requires a long process. On the other hand this administration will be appreciably different than the last. I think it would be disingenuous to say Obama will be "same as the old boss", and that it won't be interesting (at least).
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..... what do you make of these three guys?
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They were stand ins for these guys that could'nt get past security.
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You could be right Pete
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@pbacot said:
...There's a lot to the USA besides politics, and some of the people here are nice too!
I1m pretty sure about that, Peter. In fact I know that from experience.
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@chango70 said:
Yes everything so far points to a better if not great presidency
If by "great presidency" you mean a total disaster for the US, then I agree with you completely.
@mike lucey said:
I think many more good changes for the better are under way and will follow...I think President Obama will continue to inspire not only US citizens but the rest of the World to get a handle on things before it is too late.
He only inspires me to gag.
I've been looking at the White House website and his agenda (an agenda he either hid or lied about during the campaign). He seems intent on overthrowing the will of the majority of Americans (expressed at the polls) on several issues, trampling states' rights on other issues, and generally expanding the power, scope, reach, and inefficiency of the federal bureaucracy, to our detriment. It's a far cry from the limited federal government set up by the Founders, a far cry from unifying, and completely uninspiring.
And let's not overlook his abysmal choice of nominee for head of the Treasury Department - a tax evader! It's like making an arsonist the Fire Chief.
Bread and circuses, anyone?
Oh, and Tomsdesk - if all you can reply with is a ROFLMAO icon, save yourself the trouble. I already know you disagree with me.
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.... well nobody is perfect and to get to where he is now, I imagine some deals had to be made, that's politics. For me Obama sounds credible and he seems to have certain amount of polish. We will have to give him a chance and see what happens. He has a difficult road ahead of him after his predecessor's eight year fiasco.
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