Bush vs Shoe
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ā¦āheads of stateā, plus state flagsā¦!
āRemind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities,
to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed!ā
(Titus 3:1)Cornel
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..... figured out how George learned to duck. Looks like he was practicing catch!
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Serious note.
I am REALLY anti-Bush. I don't think of him as a leader, but an enemy. However I believe in fairness and the sanctity of parley. If you are invited to meet with someone, friend or foe, and you accept, you are bound to protect that person and his right to free speech, and show respect. You can certainly protest, but that's not what journalists are there for. It endangers journalists as well as their access to government officials.
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@pbacot said:
If you are invited to meet with someone, friend or foe, and you accept, you are bound to protect that person and his right to free speech, and show respect. You can certainly protest, but that's not what journalists are there for. It endangers journalists as well as their access to government officials.
VERY well said.
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Bol***** !!!It is very easy to say while sitting in comfy home with plenty of food on your table. How would you feel if you are now living in country on its knees, with hospitals not functioning, with your home distroyed, where tens of thousands of people have been killed (read your family)when you can't buy petrol in spite of being one of the largest producers of oil.
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While I am fervently opposed to the Bush doctrines, the thought occurs to me that if this man threw a shoe at the leader of his own country, CNN would be showing footage of them playing soccer with his head right now.
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Maybe...but they beat him up really bad.
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It could be that I did not understand your post.... I read it in a way that they would chop of his head if he threw the shoe on the local leader. Is that what you meant?
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@sepo said:
Bol***** !!!It is very easy to say while sitting in comfy home with plenty of food on your table. How would you feel if you are now living in country on its knees, with hospitals not functioning, with your home distroyed, where tens of thousands of people have been killed (read your family)when you can't buy petrol in spite of being one of the largest producers of oil.
Than comes da man and tell you how lucky you are to live in democracy...I did not even propose non-violence (Mohandis Ghandi lived in such a country and freed his people). But it just destroys any hope of making peace if you shoot the guy with the white flag. Sure, you might try to blow Bush up on the way to the meeting. But if you both go to the meeting in good faith, keep your shoes on. The Arab people are historically famous in their fair treatment of their enemies.
As I said earlier, Bush showed good ducking form and stood up like a man. He also was correct in his response thereafter. A true tyrant would have had the guy executed forthwith. Hell, the press would not have been invited.
Respect and diplomatic rules protect both parties. Still my comments are more directed to this forum than to that journalist. I found it amusing. I simply disagreed with the piling-on about one wrong justifying another. Perhaps it IS a theoretical debate for the privileged; but I don't have reason as yet to throw out my principles, either out of guilt or by your argument.
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It was like a scene of anarchy,ā¦not of democracyā¦
Cornel
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As I said before it is very easy to be of high moral when does not affect you. I have good experience of war and that is where I am coming from. My post is not there to change really anyones mind.
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@sepo said:
It could be that I did not understand your post.... I read it in a way that they would chop of his head if he threw the shoe on the local leader. Is that what you meant?
I meant that, in spite of all the things Bush has done, most of us who participate in this forum live in countries where freedom of expression, religion and human rights are valued ways of life. The man who threw the shoe at Bush will most likely not be subjected to any punishment close to what he would receive if he was a protester in his own country. Here we are laughing and playing games about the President of the United States getting hit by a shoe, while the guy who did it comes from a country where they cut your head off if you throw a shoe at their leader.
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I think you presume a lot . Not all is like you see on the TV or read in paper. Yes they may not have same cultural values like us but if you were in their shoes (excuse my punn) you would think diferrently.
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A little something to lighten the mood:
Not mine btw.
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@sepo said:
I think you presume a lot . Not all is like you see on the TV or read in paper. Yes they may not have same cultural values like us but if you were in their shoes (excuse my punn) you would think diferrently.
Let me try this once more...
My point is that the man who threw the shoe, yes, I agree he has a right to regard Bush as a tyrant who invaded his country, was able to get away with it because he is protected by the very principles he wants to overthrow.
I am not saying that all Middle Eastern people are evil, I am simply pointing out the discordant nature of the situation as I see it.
As far as 'cultural values' go, well, I'll leave that up you to make your own evaluations as to which you would prefer.
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@double espresso said:
My point is that the man who threw the shoe, yes, I agree he has a right to regard Bush as a tyrant who invaded his country, was able to get away with it because he is protected by the very principles he wants to overthrow.
Excusez-moi? I have to ask: have you been taking acid?
(Hi Sid!
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There is no doubt in my mind where I belong culturally. I am European and proud of it.
And if by protection you mean braking an arm, ribs and good kicking well .... -
Hi Stinkie
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