Pamela Anderson's Explicit New Video
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I hope you werent trying to ellicit some sort of reaction with that thread title mike...
On a more serious note, it isnt exactly a new issue, i wonder if this video will improve anything.
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Not at all Remus, that's the title! I suppose it would draw attention from the guys
Yes Coen, it is an eye opener. I like KFC but after seeing this I will be having second thoughts. One comment that struck we was 'chickens are at least as intelligent as cats and dogs'. Even if they are not its no way to treat animals.
Mike
PS: Its been viewed 154 times
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I think that video is misleading. KFC does not own or operate any poultry farms, but rather purchases it's chicken already processed (butchered) from other sources. The FDA has strict guidelines on commercial animal husbandry, but there will always be the violators. I think PETA has taken a few horrifying, isolated incidences and tried to paint them as industry standard. Remember, this is the same group who asked Ben & Jerry's ice cream to replace cows milk with human milk, 'cause for some reason they think it's cruel to milk a dairy cow.
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@daniel said:
I think that video is misleading. KFC does not own or operate any poultry farms, but rather purchases it's chicken already processed (butchered) from other sources. The FDA has strict guidelines on commercial animal husbandry, but there will always be the violators. I think PETA has taken a few horrifying, isolated incidences and tried to paint them as industry standard. Remember, this is the same group who asked Ben & Jerry's ice cream to replace cows milk with human milk, 'cause for some reason they think it's cruel to milk a dairy cow.
Are you implying that as long as a corporation doesn't actually produce the 'ingrediants/components' that are used in the manufacture of their products they have no moral or ethical responsibilty?
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@double espresso said:
Are you implying that as long as a corporation doesn't actually produce the 'ingrediants/components' that are used in the manufacture of their products they have no moral or ethical responsibilty?
No, I was hazarding a guess that the majority of the plants KFC buys their chicken from follow the guidelines, but they may not know everything that happens at those plants all the time. I was merely pointing out factual errors and inuendos in the video - that the chicken plant is owned by KFC, and that is standard operating procedures at all their plants. Delving deeper into the story, the behavior/actions shown in the video are from a single plant owned by Pilgrim's Pride, a company with plants all over the U.S. and Mexico. According to news reports, officials at PP and KFC were appalled by what they saw on the video, and KFC stopped purchasing chicken from that plant. Why didn't the PETA video report any of that? Could it be that they ar more interested in driving KFC out of business and promoting a vegan lifestyle?
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Thanks for clarifying Daniel. I note that you say PP and KFC stopped purchasing from the offending plant. I wonder where the plant was located. I suppose that does not matter, what does matter is that the multi national companies did not have a policy in place that monitored these plants. I still feel I will not be buying any KFC as I feel they are not to be trusted when in comes to animal welfare. Being appalled when notified is not good enough
Mike
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@mike lucey said:
Thanks for clarifying Daniel. I note that you say PP and KFC stopped purchasing from the offending plant. I wonder where the plant was located. I suppose that does not matter, what does matter is that the multi national companies did not have a policy in place that monitored these plants. I still feel I will not be buying any KFC as I feel they are not to be trusted when in comes to animal welfare. Being appalled when notified is not good enough
Mike
Good on you! Every journey starts with a small step, Mike.
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@unknownuser said:
..the majority of the plants KFC buys their chicken from follow the guidelines, but they may not know everything that happens at those plants all the time. I was merely pointing out factual errors and inuendos in the video .... Delving deeper into the story, the behavior/actions shown in the video are from a single plant ...
I think one of the problems is that the fast food chains sell super cheap intensively processed food. They have significant influence on the price of meat. They won't pay much and that allows very little profit margin for the farmers and others in the industry. There will always be some unscrupulous operators to fill the market need.
I don't know about other parts of the world but in the UK the animal welfare authority RSPCA don't really get much say on the standards of food production because it is an economic factor. They are only able to present guidelines that the National Union of Farmers can choose to adopt if they wish. See link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-406977/RSPCA-exposes-horror-intensive-chicken-farming.html If the pricing was fairer, the welfare would probably be better too.
@unknownuser said:
Why didn't the PETA video report any of that? Could it be that they are more interested in driving KFC out of business and promoting a vegan lifestyle?
Yes it should have been balanced. I don't agree with everything PETA campaign for but the idea that if you challenge animal cruelty you must want to bring down multinationals and ram the virtues of veganism down people's throats is an old fashioned stereotype. Look at their website if you need proof, its quite conservative. Good animal welfare, sadly, comes at a price and I think that is generally acknowledged. -
Hi,
I am currently reading "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair (the author of "Oil!" on which was based "There Will Be Blood" for those who don't know) and I have heard a lot about Michael Pollan's book "The Omnivore's Dilemma", which is in some ways an analogous update on our food system. Probably read that next.
Things are certainly not now, for food production and labor, as they were in the early 20th century, but "The Jungle" is a good look at how far we've come and how near we could be to the worst of both. Pollan's work points out that the meat industry is still trying the same tricks as 100 years ago (like slaughtering downed cattle), though not on the same scale or as blatantly. "The Jungle" also is a good reminder what poverty really means, as we face an economic black hole today.
I have nothing to say about KFC source of meat in particular, but "buyer beware" when it comes to meat "products". Mass production being what it is, holding the profit margin means cutting costs where they can get away with it and using the whole animal (generally a high environmental precept)--in ways you don't want to know. I did work for KFC outlet as a kid. If you like your food cooked in disgusting old oil, by an assembly line of know-nothing kids, belly up to the bar.
Peter
P.S. "One comment that struck me was 'chickens are at least as intelligent as cats and dogs.'" That simply throws the whole concept of relative intelligence out the window. Puuuuuhhh-LEAZZZZZ. As you say, though, that's no reason to cause undue suffering.
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Guys,
I am old enough to remember how a fresh chicken really tasted. Roast chicken was on the Sunday Dinner Menu most of the time when I was young and I looked forward to it. The taste of what passes for chicken these days is just rubbish.
I wonder if some local 'home grown' companies started REAL fried chicken outlets. Of course they would have to charge more for the chicken but it would be worth it. I imagine they could offer lesser amounts of fresh chicken for the same prices. This could work as we (Western World) all eat too much!
Mike
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Do Androids Dream of Electric Chickens?
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Ha, Mike!
We still have a market in town where "farmers" come in and sell their home grown vegetable, chickens ducks, milk, cheese and such. Tastes totally different, I can tell.
And the colour and taste of the yolk of the eggs of a chicken fed on maize (corn)!
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@mike lucey said:
Guys,
I am old enough to remember how a fresh chicken really tasted. Roast chicken was on the Sunday Dinner Menu most of the time when I was young and I looked forward to it. The taste of what passes for chicken these days is just rubbish.
I wonder if some local 'home grown' companies started REAL fried chicken outlets. Of course they would have to charge more for the chicken but it would be worth it. I imagine they could offer lesser amounts of fresh chicken for the same prices. This could work as we (Western World) all eat too much!
Mike
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