If the world could vote!
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Albania, Lesotho or Macedonia; sounds like a nice choice of venue for the disillusioned. Property prices are cheap too.
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I dunno, but it seems to me that this election is more of a referendum on Bush rather than the merits of either Obama and McCain. And quite frankly, I think the world vote is just a response to BO's obvious star charisma without much regard to what he really stands for or what this election is really all about. I beleive it's also true for most US voters as well.
but that's just me. . ..
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David. H wrote:
@unknownuser said:
without much regard to what he really stands for
and what would that be exactly?
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Here's another one:
Who would the World Elect - You vote!
Find out who the world voted for and vote yourself for the US Presidental Election
Who would the World Elect - You vote! (www.whowouldtheworldelect.com)
Ron Paul seems to lead although you can't vote for the f*cker on the front page LOL
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@solo said:
David. H wrote:
@unknownuser said:
without much regard to what he really stands for
and what would that be exactly?
Solo . . .without mixing up in an already rancurous discussion, I was merely referring to what was mentioned in the other post--which I hadn't read at the time I posted the previous. . .
@unknownuser said:
"Europe is thrilled by the prospect that whatever happens this week it will mean the end of George W. Bush (...)""
I am not an Obama supporter, but I wasn't making a slam on him in anyway either. He is afterall probably going to win and win big. But I think the world is suffering so much from Bush Fatigue and that is what has been carrying Obama for all these months. I believe his supporters and folks around the world are projecting their hopes and aspirations on him without much regard to What he himself is really going to do or what he really believes. maybe not. . .
Still friends?
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@unknownuser said:
But I think the world is suffering so much from Bush Fatigue and that is what has been carrying Obama for all these months. I believe his supporters and folks around the world are projecting their hopes and aspirations on him without much regard to What he himself is really going to do or what he really believes. maybe not. . .
He certainly does profit from the results of 8 years of Junior. There's no denying that, I think. And yes, there may be some projecting going on. Well ... quite a bit, probably.
That said, if I could vote, I probably could not bring myself to vote for McCain. (Though I think I'd have a tougher time to make up my mind than I do now.)Obama's presidency will be a rough ride, I think. Many problems to battle. From my (European) viewpoint that might not be so bad. I'd rather see the US president tend to domestic problems than exporting vast quantities of shock and awe. But you boys got though years ahead.
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Can you just imagine the tough expectations that Barack is going to have to deliver. I think he is trying to Tamp down some of these expectations, because he knows he won't be able to cure Cancer, end Iraq and Deliver the lollipops and rainbows that the world is expecting six months into his first term.
Carter rode in on a wave of Replican fatigue and as supermajority in congress as well. That didn't turn out so well.
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@unknownuser said:
Can you just imagine the tough expectations that Barack is going to have to deliver.
Yeah ... that's what I meant by 'tough ride'.
Still, would McCain be the better choice?Damn, David! You've gotten me all depressed!
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Dave, I am sorry if my question seemed confrontational, I was just asking as I assumed you were referring to the right wing name calling that Obama has unfairly been labled with.
I agree Bush's administration is part of the battle won for Obama, as well as McCain's bad VP choice, off message campaign, flipping on his core beliefs so as to conform to his party, living in the past when the future is on most concerned minds, lost in this horrible economic mess, running a negative campaign, knee jerk reactions,etc. However we are so quick to point at what he did wrong or how the political climate is against his party that we forget Obama beat Hillary, if indeed is was just to switch from Republicans to Democrats then the Clinton political machine should have been the perfect vehicle.
Obama has run a fantastic campaign, he won the primaries, kept to message, been polite, composed,controlled, intellegent and conferenced with the greatest minds in order to form his opinions.Is that not exactly what you would expect a president to be?
Everything else is policies and proposals that probably will not see daylight after months of senate and house battles. A good president is based on character, and there was a time I believed Mccain to be such a man. Until he sold his soul to be the President.
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no question. Obama has run a pretty flawless campaign. Even Biden's missteps havent hindered him at all. McCain;s campaign has reminded me a lot of Doles' 96 Campaign. Lackluster and uninspired. whatever the outcome tomorrow, we need to pull together as a country. I am so sick of this red state blue state nonsense. What started out as mere newsroom graphics has created an attitude that has allowed partisonship to divide this country in ways that I don't think will be reparable anytime soon.
One could argue that this all started with Watergate, and it;s probably a lot to do with it, but I think it started moreso with Bill Clinton. I was against the '98 impeachment of Clinton because it was really the start of all of this. A senate or Congressional reprimand would have been much more appropriate. Impeachment is the nuclear weapon of politics but it was This absolute hatredof Clinton by the R's that drove them all crazy. And the D's hate Bush just as much if not more. The country used to be much more civil. The days of Rockefeller, Everett Dirkson, Sam Rayburn, Ed Muskie. Moderates on both sides who could talk to eachother. They could work with an opposition President or at least could be civil to one another. Are those days gone?
It would seem so. The extremes of either party are driving the political discourse and us Middle of the Road guys can't find a place to land.
No matter who wins tomorrow, whether it be Ob or McC . .. when he reaches across the aisle, he is going to get his arm chewed off.NOw are you depressed? I am.
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@unknownuser said:
No matter who wins tomorrow, whether it be Ob or McC . .. when he reaches across the aisle, he is going to get his arm chewed off.
NOw are you depressed?
Yes, thank you ever so much.
Well ... I might be naive, but I was kinda hoping Obama could make the two sides meet. He does with regards to the political factions in my family. That's a start, isn't it? -
I am definatly not depressed, I am optimistic that he can make a difference.
Look at the new voters, the young voters, the minority voters that are energized, look at how the world has stopped to watch this election. Obama is not the second coming as the R's are trying to make out, he is just a guy with a strong abillity to lead and a calm demeanor to show restraint.
He certainly does have the JFK effect of this generation, and does inspire hope in many people.I personally hope that if indeed he wins tomorrow it is by a huge margin, enough to make the Republicans too rethink their direction and get their crap together. Hopefully to purge the party from people like Palin and soften the rhetoric.
It's time for us to move away from the Bush/Reagan, Clinton style politics.
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I hope so, and if he wins, I wish him the best.
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@solo said:
It's time for us to move away from the Bush/Reagan, Clinton style politics.
What does this mean? Consensus and common sense instead of polarisation and cynicism? If so, I hope Obama does indeed accomplish this, as, for better or for worse, the US has enormous influence in this fairest of worlds.
I guess what I'm hoping is, that Obama will lead the way for the US to become a beacon of reason, rather than one of obscurantism. Either side of the aisle you're on, that wouldn't be a bad thing, right?
Besides that, even I am getting somewhat tired of slagging of the US. But I need something to work with here!
Imagine all that military power and such being used for the greater good of the world - and Europe chipping in its part.
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Bellwells wrote:
@unknownuser said:
That's the point; he doesn't stand for anything.
You are 100% correct, he doesn't stand for anything, he has laid out exactly what he doesn't stand for..
He doesn't stand for Corporate greed
He doesn't stand for excessive and wastefull government spending
He doesn't stand for war-mongering
He doesn't stand for tax cuts to the wealthy
He doesn't stand for the removal of Roe vs Wadethe list goes on ....
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@solo said:
David. H wrote:
@unknownuser said:
without much regard to what he really stands for
and what would that be exactly?
That's the point; he doesn't stand for anything.
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@solo said:
Bellwells wrote:
@unknownuser said:
That's the point; he doesn't stand for anything.
You are 100% correct, he doesn't stand for anything, he has laid out exactly what he doesn't stand for..
He doesn't stand for Corporate greed
He doesn't stand for excessive and wastefull government spending
He doesn't stand for war-mongering
He doesn't stand for tax cuts to the wealthy
He doesn't stand for the removal of Rove vs Wadethe list goes on ....
He doesn't stand for:
Corporate greed as in bankrupting the coal industry.
Wasteful government spending as in untold new gov'ment spending programs.
War-mongering as in capitulation.
Tax cuts for the wealthy as in socialism
Roe vs Wade will never be overturned. IMO it is the rightful law of the land. -
A little Election Day Story. .. .
Battlestar Democratica!. . .
A smallragtag troop of intrepid demos are being led to the new promised world. . .Hopeland. Led by the sage Elder Commander Obama. . .aided by warriors Dirk Biden ,Lt. Sheba Pilosi- and Starbuck Reid. . .but they must first defeat the evil NeoCons in a battle to restore order to the Galaxy. . .
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