I Believe (to address the complaints of last week)
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TIG wrote:
"You must understand the older English use of the 'plural' as the 'singular'..."
I know that, BUT (a 'big but'!),
you (TIG, Tom, etc.) must understand the older Greek (very precise) and Latin languages.
Sorry again!, gentlemen.
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that is a kick on the tommy
Cornel,
understand so please that we dont play the same way.
understand that it will be dif_ficult for you in here unless you understand this is not a game of altogether kids but an each_ one
each_one conversation about what,. is going on, on this trhread, .for example.
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I'm a little rusty on my biblical studies, but I believe the Old Testament was largely Aramaic, which is a proto-Hebrew language and predates Greek and Latin.
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Paul's right. It's utterly pointless arguing about small points of semantics in a document that has been imperfectly translated from Aramaic to Greek and then into English...possibly via Latin.
Heck, scholars can't even agree on the precise significance of the term "Virgin"...as in Virgin Mary...as used in Aramaic at that time. Many claim it simply meant unmarried; rather like the older English use of the term "maiden". Trying to score points about whether a pronoun is singular, plural or both is really pretty desperate stuff. -
Sorry, guys,
I was on vacation…!
THE TRINITY IS NOT A HUMAN INVENTION…!
There is a real GOD - 3 UNITARY Person: The Father, The Son and The Holly Spirit.
Humans, inspired by Trinity, combined those 3 ‘Powers’: Judicial, Legislative and Executive.
Initially, I mentioned: “The TRINITY is remarked even in the first chaptre of the Bible”.
I was expecting you to read The Bible, to see hundreds of verses refering to these 3 ‘CONSTITUENTS’…, but…
My conclusion: you weren't interested!
Cornel
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Apparently it's you who aren't interested, Cornel. If you actually read what I wrote, it was that the terms father, son and holy spirit are mentioned ...even sequentially...in the Bible, but nowhere, NOWHERE, does it mention a Trinity. Here's a text version...run a word search. I'm not interested in what you or anyone else may infer...that's merely your assessment. I repeat; the Trinity is not mentiond in the Bible, it's a human invention.
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Alan,
Humans established only a concise, explicative term...!
"TRINITY" was a proper proposed name, not an "invention"!"BIBLE" term is not included in The Bible...
but The Bible isn't a "human invention"!Cornel
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I love it when some crazy runs into a school and blows away fifty kids, or a school bus gets hit by a train and the parents of the surviving kid thank 'god' for saving 'their little Billy or Betty'. It's also nice that God takes the time to help athletes win basketball games. God hates losers and infidels and loves me.
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I asked God for help when I was learning SketchUp, but he only knew how to use the 'follow me' tool.
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You seem to get a big kick out making fun of those who believe in God. Do you also mock those who believe in Allah or are you a single religion hater?
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Is their anything wrong with believing that someone of a particular religious bent is wrong?
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How could it be wrong, Remus ?
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@unknownuser said:
Humans established only a concise, explicative term...!
"TRINITY" was a proper proposed name, not an "invention"!SO, *** , NEVER TELLS HUMAN ABOUT TRINITY and human comes and establish a concise, explicative term
, in terms that it is a proposed name, , and it is not an invention. Come on Cornel,
it was all about trying to grasp, *** s identity so that it could not be comprehended but by those who proposed it.A GREAT SIN, in my view.
I am not saying that it was done on purpose, I am saying that, that was and is, the result of that thinking. And, because the result of that has been the confussion and the need to get an explanation by the Church who holds that believe AND that makes the path to *** to have to get the Church´s approval, wich is nonsense, and, since it has not been changed yet, it is a sin. A BIG ONE.
IS NOT IT ?*** , is for everyone and is easy
and heart catches without the need of rational puzzle thinking.I THINK YOU SHOULD LET YOURSELF FEEL RATHER THAN READ TO GET WHAT SUITS YOU BEST.
written with care for you, indeed.
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My point exactly.
EDIT: i just re read what i wrote and it makes little to no sense, please ignore it
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@remus said:
Is their anything wrong with believing that someone of a particular religious bent is wrong?
Actually, I think I know what you mean. I have a problem with Islam, so I would have to answer your question with a "no".
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Could i ask what that problem is? im intrigued.
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For me, it started in 1979 with the Iran hostage crisis and then 9/11. I have not seen "moderate" Muslims condemn what happened and I don't think I ever will. I believe Islam aims for dominance.
Edit: They seem to be getting their way in Europe, don't you think?
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I've heard quite a few Muslims condemn those terrorist events, one of them (the one doing the condemning) was even a good friend of mine.
In the least offensive way possible, i wonder, have you spoken to many muslims about it?
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No, I have not spoken with any Muslims about this. I think many people are looking for a more public denunciation. And it has not happened. Ask your friends if they believe in taqiyya, the Muslim form of deception meant to conceal their true beliefs and feelings (among other things).
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J.V.S.,
Here are a few direct verses (there are many others):
“I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30)
“Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.” (John14:9-11)
Cornel
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