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    • B Offline
      basic.woodworks
      last edited by

      Forgive my ignorance but .. who is Psystar? and why should I care? does this have something to do with SU?? Google?? Me??

      Not being rude... Just asking

      Ciao

      Mike RL

      "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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        remus
        last edited by

        Psystar is a company who were/are selling PC hardware with os x pre installed.

        You may not care at all, in the grand scheme of things its not very significant, but on a smaller scale its interesting to see how apple are handling the situation (its never happened before, and i think theres a general assumption that trying to restrict software to proprietary hardware is a bit shakey legally.)

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          basic.woodworks
          last edited by

          so.. essentially they're building IBM compatibles with OS X rather than Windows?!? Isn't that a good thing for Apple?? I guess I should read up on it to understand the who, what and why.

          Mike

          "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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            remus
            last edited by

            Yeha, thats pretty much all theyre doing.

            As for it bring good for apple, i doubt it. Its a well known fact that apple charges a ludicrous amount for its hardware, so i suspect that is where they make a lot of their cash, therefore them not selling hardware=losing lots of money

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            • Chris FullmerC Offline
              Chris Fullmer
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              (This is my opinion and my understanding of a complex situation)

              That was what hurt apple from the get-go though was that their product was on lockdown, not as open for other developers to make. Less competition means higher prices. So PC's took off because there was a lot of market competition for the internal bits and pieces. A person has always been able to go buy the baords and pieces to make a PC "from scratch". No one can do that with a Mac. That hurts the Mac to not have techy geeks building their Mac product for a small profit. PC's are always behind the Mac in technology though, but that is because they fought to have open market standards so everyone could develop for the PC, thus slowing down their ability to adopt new hardware protocols. But Mac could speed along with technology because they didn't have to coordinate such standards to the same extent that the PC has decided to do. So Mac has always been more stable, more technologically advanced in many respects, and even cooler looking because its only them desinging the things. Of course, they are also significantly more expensive.

              All hail the PC!

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                remus
                last edited by

                Have you got any examples of this? i was under the impression that both systems adopted new technology at a similar rate (although i dont know any of the history, so i could be wrong.)

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                • Chris FullmerC Offline
                  Chris Fullmer
                  last edited by

                  Just in the earlier days (I don't know whats under the hood now) but they were running scsi drives that were faster, early adoption of firewire, and also digital video outputs. I guess thats what I was thinking of. They could adopt these standards faster because they didn't have to worry standard case dimension specifications, new board compatibilty with older boards. That is my understanding.

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                    remus
                    last edited by

                    Cheers, like i said i dont really know a lot about the hardware of old so examples help me ๐Ÿ˜„

                    In terms of modern hardware i understand macs and PCs are on a pretty level footing really. The only difference being, as you said, macs dont have to worry about standardisation of their hardware in the same way PCs have to.

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                    • Mike LuceyM Offline
                      Mike Lucey
                      last edited by

                      The point of my post seems to have been missed. The second link
                      shows that Psystar doesn't even have a base! It looks like their
                      web site / sales deck was a scam!

                      Mike

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                        remus
                        last edited by

                        I read about them a while ago, when they first started up, and there was indeed some funny business, although i thought the latest reports were that people were getting their machines, so i assumed they were legit. I'll try and find the relevant article.

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                          remus
                          last edited by

                          Well theres a review here and here, so some machines are getting out.

                          Saying that its not looking too good for the companies future: http://gizmodo.com/5026988/psystar-hq-up-for-sale-buy-it-now-for-46-million

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                          • Chris FullmerC Offline
                            Chris Fullmer
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                            Yeah, sorry to hijack the thread for a few turns there Mike. I also read an article showing that they appear to not even exist. Who knows, those machines that were delivered might be a part of the hoax too. Or maybe they are something hacked together by a guy just to make it look legit and actually sent out to real customers. Its a silly thing. I hate Mac.

                            Chris

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                              basic.woodworks
                              last edited by

                              If a person.. say me, decided to buy a "PC" but not format it for "Windows" and install "OS X", could this not be done? or would the Bios need to be changed as well? If OS X is so much better than Windows... Why can't people do it themselves?

                              Mike RL

                              "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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                                basic.woodworks
                                last edited by

                                Sorry.. I think I meant "DOS"

                                Mike RL

                                "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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                                  solo
                                  last edited by

                                  Can be done.

                                  3 easy steps:

                                  http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attack-install-leopard-on-your-pc-in-3-easy-steps/

                                  I cannot see why one would not be allowed to if you purchased the Mac OS legitimately.

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                                  If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                    remus
                                    last edited by

                                    Its in the apple EULA, no idea why but it is.

                                    Mike, its not quite as simple as that. There are 2 major problems. Firstly all apple computers have a little chip in them that verifies the computer as apple hardware, without this the machine (theoretically) cant boot up os x. The second problem is the lack of hardware drivers. Because apple is able to control what hardawre goes on their machines they only have drivers for a very select few bits of kit, so anything that isnt used by apple anyway has to have modded drivers written for it by someone.

                                    Their are work arounds, obviously, but these are the main obstacles to installing os x on standard hardware.

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                                      basic.woodworks
                                      last edited by

                                      so... damned if you do.. damned if you don't. You can either pay too much for Mac or pay little for PC and a bunch more to "renovate".

                                      Being that Mac has "allowed" the ability to install widows on their computers, should they have the courtesy to reciprocate??

                                      Mike RL

                                      "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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                                        basic.woodworks
                                        last edited by

                                        Hey SOLO

                                        You think they'd let me install my copy of Leopard, which is on my Mac, onto my wife's PC?? I guess the registration might be a problem, huh?!? ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                        Mike RL

                                        "The greatest mistake a person can make is to be afraid of making one." (Elbert Hubbard)

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                                        • soloS Offline
                                          solo
                                          last edited by

                                          well now after hearing about the EULA restrictions, I guess not as that would be illegal. ๐Ÿ˜’

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                                            remus
                                            last edited by

                                            i think its technically possible, although not legally.

                                            I didnt realise you had to register os x, i thought it just worked straight out of the box? correct me if im wrong, as i dont use os x at all...

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