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    • EdsonE Offline
      Edson
      last edited by

      as many of you know i am rebuilding my site with the help of modelhead. i have a question referring to the definition of the images to be published. they will fit in a box that measures 485x390 pixels and i would like them to be as sharp as possible without slowing down the site. what definition should i give them? would 72 be enough?

      cheers.

      edson mahfuz, architect| porto alegre • brasil
      http://www.mahfuz.arq.br

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      • KrisidiousK Offline
        Krisidious
        last edited by

        72 dots per inch is fairly small, personally I like 150

        but trust your architect's eye...

        By: Kristoff Rand
        Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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        • GaieusG Offline
          Gaieus
          last edited by

          Edson,

          "DPI" is a printing term - how many "dots" a printer will print "per inch" on a paper. So it has something to do with the connection between "physical" size (cms or inches) and resolution (pixels per inch).

          On screen though, there is no "physical" size. 485x390 pixels will always be the same amount of pixels. On a monitor with higher resolution therefore the image will look smaller and on a monitor with lower resolution it will look larger cms-wise.

          Thus there is no point of thinking on "dpi" at all.

          What you should consider is the compress ratio of the jpg image (I guess you want to use jpg images mainly). So when you set the "size" (pixel-wise), play with the compression instead to achive a fairly light (and fast loading) picture with still a nice "visibility" of it.

          Just as a reference - have you seen any "dpi-settings" in the 2D (image) export option settings in SU? If not - and you want to export that image for printing - you always need to count how many pixel x pixel "big" image you need to export to maintain the resolution within a given "physical" size of a printed picture.

          Gai...

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          • KrisidiousK Offline
            Krisidious
            last edited by

            Gai... my photo editor has an option to change the DPI for internet use... but it's called PPI

            By: Kristoff Rand
            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
              last edited by

              And what does it do then?

              I just created two images in Corel PhotoPaint - "measured" both 800x600 in pixels, one with 300 dpi and the other in 150 dpi (both totally uncompressed). They really looked alike on screen - both resolution and size - everything.

              Then "measured" both in centimetres (I turned on resampling and changed to cms):
              the one with 300 dpi came out with 6,7733 x 5,08 cms,
              the other one (150 dpi) with 13,5467 x 10,16 cms (i.e. double the size)

              This is obviously a metadata stored in the image file somewhere - how "big" a certain pixel x pixel digital image should be printed. Obviously the size and the quality (resolution dpi-wise) printed will depend on these metadata - but the appearance of the digital image is not affected at all.

              And of course, the file sizes were exactly the same.

              Gai...

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              • KrisidiousK Offline
                Krisidious
                last edited by

                well as we said, PPI is pixels per inch and dpi is dots per inch...

                so after a certain # it will start making your image larger than the original, however they expect you to force the image into a certain view, there for giving it a better resolution.

                By: Kristoff Rand
                Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                • KrisidiousK Offline
                  Krisidious
                  last edited by

                  exactly right Bruce...

                  Google and others don't want your page to be more than 100kilobytes and that is the top they say...

                  most want it to be like 20kb... and that's nutz to me... we are in a specialized niche on the internet... we as designers want high quality and high file size...

                  so there is a comprimise between Bruce's web requirements and our designer requirements... you need to make smaller images on the first page, (thumbnails) and then link to pages that hold larger files, or link straight to the file if you're not worried about theft. this will help you get both goals.

                  By: Kristoff Rand
                  Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
                    last edited by

                    Well, that 100kb file size is for the html file only - whatever in displayed there as an image, is "outside" the file anyway - let it be an <img src> tag or an <a href> tag.

                    And for a "simple text file", 100 kbs are not that little. Put all your javascrips and css files into separate files and you're already there!

                    Gai...

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                    • Alan FraserA Offline
                      Alan Fraser
                      last edited by

                      DPI and PPI are exactly the same thing...and are both fairly meaningless as far as size on a web page is concerned. If you want an image to fit into a 485x390 frame then simply make it that size...it doesn't matter whether its 72 DPI or 300 DPI.

                      Set the jpg compression level to around 7 out of 12 or 70% (whichever application you are using). This is a good compromise between quality and image-loading time.

                      An example of bad web design is here http://www.rinconvitova.com/fly%20trap%20sagebrush.htm
                      If you go to the pic on the bottom right and r-click it, then choose View Image (to see the image in its raw state in the browser) you'll see that a very large pic has been shoehorned into a very small frame, leading to totally unnecessary page-load time for viewers on dial-up. This isn't a case of a small thumbnail linking to a larger pic (there's no pointy hand cursor to indicate a hyperlink). The actual larger pic has been squeezed smaller

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
                        last edited by

                        Thanks for confirming (well, at least "reassuring), Alan!

                        Indeed, that site you linked here is crazy. I have built (well, have been building) a site with galleries and thumbnails - and even the "big" images aren't that heavy. Plus they are preloaded so when you get to clicking on the thumbnails, they load pretty much:
                        http://www.septichora.hu/hu/index.html? ... munkafotok
                        (that's our excavation from last year).

                        Gai...

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                        • KrisidiousK Offline
                          Krisidious
                          last edited by

                          no gai, that's images too

                          like mine...

                          here http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=www.aboveallhouseplans.com

                          31k

                          that's with every image you see on the home page.

                          By: Kristoff Rand
                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                          • KrisidiousK Offline
                            Krisidious
                            last edited by

                            I have to argue Alan...

                            it's not going to be the same resolution...

                            example
                            ppi_72.jpg
                            ppi_300.jpg

                            By: Kristoff Rand
                            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                            • KrisidiousK Offline
                              Krisidious
                              last edited by

                              more pixels per inch or dots are going to give you higher definition. and the size after a certain number which I don't know will start making your image larger than you called out originaly, such as 300x400 if you went to like 900ppi would like double or quadruple the size of the image.

                              By: Kristoff Rand
                              Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                              • GaieusG Offline
                                Gaieus
                                last edited by

                                Well, Kris, there is an image on your main page where the first Google link directed. Here are the specs of it. (see "Fájlméret"). Only that's three times bigger than the mere html page counted by Google.
                                GreeceRearView_Site.png

                                Gai...

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                                • KrisidiousK Offline
                                  Krisidious
                                  last edited by

                                  that's right gai, I put that picture up about 1 week ago, but the cache from google is a bit older... it will reflect it soon if I don't update the file...

                                  By: Kristoff Rand
                                  Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                  • KrisidiousK Offline
                                    Krisidious
                                    last edited by

                                    I take that back, it looks as though they have cached it

                                    if you save the file... gai is right, I'm wrong... I have been minimizing my images for nothing I guess... if you save the index file it is only 30kb... and that's what they call it out as...

                                    sorry guys, I spoke too soon...

                                    By: Kristoff Rand
                                    Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                    • GaieusG Offline
                                      Gaieus
                                      last edited by

                                      Oh man, I was just taking these screenshots about the different pages of your site!
                                      Nevermind, post them anyway:
                                      This is one of your pages ("Home Photos"
                                      HomePhotos.png
                                      This is your first pic (the thumbnail) but there are a whole bunch of them:
                                      FirstPic.png
                                      This is the file size of what Alan posted above - obviously the huge images aren't counted in:
                                      RiconVitova.png

                                      Yet the two images of the letter A are somewhat misleading, too. They are both of the same size (pixel wise) and you apparently embedded some typed letters there - this can behave differently.

                                      Edit: Poor Coen, these screenshot were resized so much and now huge like hell... I must set my print screen software somehow else!

                                      Gai...

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                                      • Alan FraserA Offline
                                        Alan Fraser
                                        last edited by

                                        It's quite simple really; if you have a screen that is 2000 pixels wide and you have a web page containing a pic that is 500 pixels wide then the pic will take up 25% of the width of the page no matter what its DPI. The size of the pixels on your screen don't change unless you deliberately adjust the resolution. The only exception is if you constrain it within a frame that is smaller...and specify in Dreamweaver or whatever that you want it to fit the frame.

                                        As it states on this page http://www.wpdfd.com/issues/17/dpi/
                                        "Working with screen-based Web or multimedia images, DPI has no meaning whatsoever. If you scan an image at 50 dpi or 600 dpi and it is 100 pixels wide, it will be 100 pixels wide on any screen regardless of its resolution. Of course, if it is on a 640 x 480 screen it will occupy a larger area of the screen real estate than on a 1024 x 768 monitor."

                                        DPI or PPI only has any meaning when used in conjunction with a physical size for an image (Like 3"x4"). Obviously, a 4" wide image at 72 DPI will be 288 pixels wide, while a 300 DPI image will be 1200 pixels wide.

                                        3D Figures
                                        Were you required to walk 500 miles? Were you advised to walk 500 more?
                                        You could be entitled to compensation. Call the Pro Claimers now!

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                                        • KrisidiousK Offline
                                          Krisidious
                                          last edited by

                                          my point is it will be different, as I scan many many hand drawings... if you scan in at 75dpi then you'll have blur... if you scan in at 300dpi then you won't

                                          and regardless of the width of the image, the clarity is transformed by the ppi so there is a difference.

                                          By: Kristoff Rand
                                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                          • W Offline
                                            Will03
                                            last edited by

                                            When I'm throwing together web pages, I set up my tables first, then use that area to determine how big my image will be... mucking around with DPI is rather pointless...

                                            on another note, DPI is a left-over term from dot matrix printers (remember the really loud screeching ones) and PPI is just some other software developer trying to confuse more people... What software are you using that says that?

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