Photorealsim with real paint
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Before the advent of computer graphic programs which create photorealstic renderings, the only way to get such was to paint them. There was a split in the market, even then, between Architectural Illustrators who specialized in media such as Tempera, Gouache, Airbrish in an effort to get very tight Photorealistic renderings and those who specialized in loose more dreamy watercolours, ink and marker work.
Richard Baehr, was an extremely popular tempera renderer who had the Photorealistic market in his pocket. I believe that his market has largely dried up of late. Please take a look at his work at this site.
http://www.baehrenderings.com/projects.htmlHere's the point to all of this: This sort of Tempera work is most easily replicatd by programs such as Piranesi, Photoshop, VIZ etc. Far more easily than attempting to fool the eye and make a digital work look like watercolour. To me, there is still a real discernable difference between an Tempera Photorealistic work and a computer generated Photorealistic work. There is still some element of charm, or what has been described in the art world as "dither" , in the Tempera work that is missing entirely from the Photoreal renders.
Question: Do you see it too? Do you think there is value in doing digital renders that are like Tempera or Airbrush rather than Watercolour or Photoreal?
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Real Watercolor Painting results in a certain "look" or style.
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Real Tempera Painting or results in a different "look" or style but it is intended to be "Photorealistic". Air Brush is even more tight but still can be recognized as not "digital".
Assertion: - Photorealistic "look" not withstanding, it still looks different and more charming when done in Tempera than a Photorealistic Rendering done digitally. -
Most people who do NPR rendering digitally try and replicate Watercolor.
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Digital NPR renderigns replicating a Tempera "look" are far less trouble to accomplish than trying to do a Watercolor "look"
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True Photo realistic renderings require far more expensive technology than that software required to produce NPR renderings.
Question:
Given the above:
Is there a place or some value to doing NPR renderings tha mimic the "Tempera" or Air Brush style rather than the Watercolour style?
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Susan,
In short, the answer to:
'Is there a place or some value to doing NPR renderings tha mimic the "Tempera" or Air Brush style rather than the Watercolour style?'
Is.. Yes!
Its seems really hard to pin down 'styles' these days, which I think is good. A couple of years ago it was damn hard to put an individual stamp on SU output....now the options are endless and the 'watercolour' look seems to be playing second fiddle to PR renderers with idiot friendly exporters in SU.
I know, these days, I export almost automatically to Kerkythea.I do miss, though, the relative ease and speed of a Dennis or Marshall make-over. I am finding the private [residential] clients that I usually work for are fairly unimpressed with 'arty' work but I get plenty of oooohs with more PR stuff.
The downside with PR renderers is the setup and cooking time. So if there was a simple way to output this tempera style with a somewhat PR look I would certainly be interested.
What do you have in mind?
Stu -
Actually I think it is fairly easy. The Sky is about the most arty thing there is in these. All you need is all the Photorealistic textures that everyone has any way. Then you need to be able to apply them in a way that is indicative of atmospheric perspective. ( Piranesi for instance but I imagine Viz etc too).
You would need to slightly simplify the entourage using some of the available filters, but really only slightly simplify. You would apply shadows and lighting effects with semi transparent "paint" brushes right over the photoreal textures.
Use a little Blender brush to do a some vague smearing where some of the effects run together, also in the sky (which is opaqe colour as opposed to the semi-tranparent look of the watercolor skys) and bingo, you are done. -
Bing...[four hours later]....Go!
Sorry Susan
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oh pooh, it is not elaborate. Too many words is all.
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All the good traditional tempera work I've seen has been small web or print images of what are very often large illustrations. In twenty years of working I've never seen any high-quality originals of tempera (or airbrushed) illustrations. That unfamiliarity with the nuances makes it hard for me to 'replicate' in a digital form. I can accept that it might be relatively easy to do, but for me its hard to bake a cake when you aren't sufficiently sure what a cake is.
In contrast all of us are very familiar with the look & feel of a real watercolour so the digital process of exploration to achieve similar effects is fairly intuitive.
Having some background in low-quality airbrush work
I think I could do a high-quality digital 'airbrush' rendering. It might however take me more time than I typically have for producing a rendering.Regards, Ross
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Ross, I appreciate your comments. Sidenote: Your avitar is wonderfully artistic but it makes you appear permanently angry. It lends a distinctive "flavour" to your comments", to me any way.
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Angry? My typical disposition is one of blissful glee.
In fact I could count on the fingers of one hand the amount of times in my life I remember being angry. I probably need therapy because I'm almost never angry -- hopefully there's no pent up anger about to explode. You guys are safe - it is hard to go 'postal' on a website.I'll think about a new avatar. There must be something that won't scare people.
Regards, Ross
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@ross said:
...I'll think about a new avatar. There must be something that won't scare people.
Regards, Ross
No, Ross, please, don't! You look so classic in this avatar - like an antique god or something!
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How about something more heroiclly enigmatic...
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LOL
I think we are getting off topic.
I've never been an "antique god" but in my earlier life I was in fact a rock god. I used to tour with the Allman Brothers Band, Stevie Ray Vaughan and others. I quit the rockstar life after getting hit in the head a few too many times with beer bottles during performances. I've fallen off a few stages too.
Regards Ross
PS -- now I'm just Bossy Rossy.
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Not to worry, someone will pick it up again if it is of interest and they have something to add. I have personally always felt that discussions should be allowed to ramble as they would in life.
Shoot, can't even see your knees in those pics, much less your face. Great breastplate, though.
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Susan, I'm the emperor in the chariot, not the centurion in the front!
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That butterfly riding in the chariot with you is looking like she thinks you really are an Emperor. Its harder to tell what the dude next to you is thinking --- was he doing something to the horse? The guy behind looks like he just saw something disgusting.
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Seeing the knees would Still have been nice.
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Well, just to go in order...
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the girl who looks like a butterfly is actually weraing the wings of the godess Victoria (accompanying the victorious emperor). I told them that there should be a virgin beside me but I only got her - quite sceptic about her state of hm...
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the other guy (left to me) is actually driving the chariot (member of the legio XV Apollinaris).
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the guy behindd me (AKA Kephalos in these forums) is a slave who is supposed to be whisperin into my ears: "remember, you are a mortal" - indeed he was whispering but saying things like "remember, I hate this thing so much and would rather be drinking beer". He's a young archaeologist fellow of mine though... The name "Kephalos" seems to be appropriate now as Greek names in Pannonia (my province) were mostly particular to slaves (kephalos = head in Greek).
Well, so much for now - I need to join the others in the (non-virtual) Corner Bar...
Edit: Susan, I'll try to find a picture of my knees for ya...
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You've got it all wrong...
Here's what was really happening:
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u guys are hilarious!!! LOL.. @ ross.. the last one was a good one!
and please dont ask bout my avatar.. i am just shy!
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