This is fantastic!
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I don't think that there is one "perfect" software especially when it's being used for design, modeling, animation, rendering, and presentation, there probably never will be. "Falling Water" wasn't modeled and animated using just one app. I think the trick is to find the right combination for your workflow and desired results. Everyone here uses more than one app to get the result they want and I think that most everyone will agree that SU has improved their workflow. However that doesn't mean that there isn't needed improvements for SU and Layout and hopefully as CraigD has stated, they are coming.
Mike
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Did you notice the artist in his FAQ's notes his fees for a 3d animation can be upwards of 60,000 pounds. That's lots of meatballs baby! It seems reasonable that Falling Water is a portfolio piece that he likely spent many-many hours creating. I suspect he'd put it in the 60,000 pound category. So if your client wants something like that then how about quoting 75,000 pounds and contract him to do it for you?
Regards, Ross
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Hahahaha!
I like the way you think Ross!
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60K!!!
Surely thats totally unrealistic! It reinforces my view, we are designers - not animators. If he can get 60K for that then leave him to it because he's not competing with us.
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@ross macintosh said:
Did you notice the artist in his FAQ's notes his fees for a 3d animation can be upwards of 60,000 pounds.
His quote is actually 60,000 Euros (about 40,000 Pounds, 80,000 US$), but he is DREAMING about that sort of money IMHO. Put simply (and I'm willing to be proven wrong), there is NO WAY a sole practitioner using 3 not all that great computers is able to command anywhere those sort of fees. He could ask for them, but he wouldn't get them. The only way an architectural visualization specialist can charge 60,000 Euros for an animation is if it contains an enormous amount of work AND the turn-around time is VERY fast AND the animation is of extremely high commercial value, i.e. for tv, the movies or a HUGE development. In other words a large, talented (read well-paid) team working flat out for three weeks and a massive render farm capable of rendering it in a couple of days- both of which require the sort of overheads that justify these fees. If you asked this guy how long it'd take him to deliver 60,000 Euros' worth of animation he'd have to say a year- which would be no use to anyone.
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Perhaps. Maybe his 60,000 euros fee represents his hiring a big team & farming out processing to a big render farm. I agree that it doesn't make much sense as a sole animator. I also agree that while the results can be nice it certainly isn't a service many architects would ever use.
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@ross macintosh said:
Maybe his 60,000 euros fee represents his hiring a big team & farming out processing to a big render farm.
That's a very good point Ross- I didn't even consider it, although I can't imagine how a guy who normally works on his own could switch to managing an outsourced team of pros. I suppose it is possible he rents a render farm for big jobs, but I've never heard of this practice. It sounds to me like he's deliberately pricing himself out of work that would be impractical to attempt- something I've had to do (although never by THAT much
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Interesting topic, does anyone have an idea of what a market based acceptable price for such a work would be?
And how much a render farm costs for such project?one more...
Who would commission an animated project like this?
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@solo said:
Interesting topic, does anyone have an idea of what a market based acceptable price for such a work would be?
I'm guessing very roughly somewhere between $10,000 and $20,000 depending on output quality (I'm converting Pounds to Dollars at 1:2, I've no idea what the actual US going rate would be). I know I'd need a couple of months to attempt something like that (plus 2 weeks learning the software!)... ehm and about another month to render it on my sole laptop
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And how much a render farm costs for such project?
I don't even know if anyone does rent out render farms- it'd be insanely expensive to keep enough render programs (and all their nodes) installed and up-to-date enough to serve multiple clients using different progs.
@solo said:
Who would commission an animated project like this?
Museums, charitable conservation foundations, tv, can't really think of anyone else- a tiny market.
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There are actually quite a few render farm services, here are just a coulpe that have online price "quotes", I guess if you're getting that kind of money you can afford these services, http://www.rebusfarm.com/ http://www.rendercore.com/rendercoreweb/index.do
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Has this guy modelled Falling Water for anything in particular, or is it just a portfolio piece; I'm suspecting it's the latter. I'm thinking perhaps he is angling his services more at reconstruction for heritage reasons, maybe a museum display or the History Channel.
Does he actually have architectural or design based clients? I would love his skills, but are there any significant commercial benefit for an architectural client (unless we are talking something on the scale of a new Olympic arena) to spend that much money on presentation? Where I live, developers are very tight with there money. The money goes on the development. Visualisation is kept to a minimum.
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Alpro,
Thanks for the links- very interesting reading.
I entered some details for a quote:
1800 Frames (based on a 1 minute animation @ 30 fps)
Render time per frame- 120 mins
3GHz processor @ 0.29 Euros per GHz hourCost- 9630.9 Euros, 13194.30 USD
Yikes! Imagine if the render didn't turn out the way you wanted.
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Eric- it looks like your link has used up all his bandwidth- he's had to take the movie off his site. He must be amazed at the stats he's suddenly getting.
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Well that blows. At least I got to see the whole thing on my home computer.
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Well, at least it was not our fault, visiting his website.
(much thanks for the link,Boofredlay)I contacted him and he told me it was because of two places who provided more than 26.000 visits on Thursday 13 with peaks of 500 people trying to access his server.
Maybe he comes one day to this forum and say hello
Cheers
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Considering what I was saying about his pricing, maybe it wouldn't be best if he came here.
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this video along with some more are available now at,
http://es.youtube.com/etereaestudios
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