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    Smexystef
    last edited by 27 Feb 2015, 22:21

    Where can we see the update logs? version history?

    Also, there's a very irritating graphical glitch if you move solar panels manually, both in sketchup as in exported/printed projects, as seen here:

    http://i.imgur.com/rj25H9X.png

    can you fix this?

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      Juantxo
      last edited by 4 Mar 2015, 15:48

      Go to plugins foder and there skelion folder. Read change.log to see the changes.

      About the image, is not a glitch. If you have 2 faces coplanar, SketchUp shows both textures.
      Give some depth to your panels and then the face of the panel won't be coplanar to roof face.

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        emerkel
        last edited by 18 May 2015, 14:49

        Curious if there is any functionality on non-planar surfaces to set criteria for slope. In other words, when placing on a non-planar surface, it will not place components that would cause the component's slope to be greater than some value either in the direction of sheds or in the lateral direction. If not is there any plans for this function? It would be extremely handy for larger scale ground mount systems.

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          Juantxo
          last edited by 19 May 2015, 05:00

          I not sure what are you talking... You can set tilt and azimuth of the components. You can choose also 3 different ways to insert the components in non-planar.
          Please, watch the video tutorials at http://www.youtube.com/skelion

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            emerkel
            last edited by 19 May 2015, 13:18

            Yes, the pitch of the component (modules themselves) are entered in the Skelion prompt. What I'm referring to is the slope of the terrain the components are being placed on, for example placing a table on a hill that slopes 10 degrees to the south. Realistically, racking systems can only be installed on terrain that is within a certain criteria of slope. This isn't a huge issue for simple terrain but for more complex terrain, a particular mesh may slope in the direction of the azimuth and in the lateral direction (side to side). There are practical limits on both of these, generally about 20 degrees in the direction of the azimuth (following the sheds) and about 5-10 degrees side to side. This all depends on the racking mfg but I'm curious if there's any functionality to set criteria for this in Skelion or if there are any plans to add it. I've also emailed the question to j.pons at skelion.

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              Froedem
              last edited by 16 Jun 2015, 09:52

              Hi,

              I'm using skelion for a while now (without any issues) but have been suffering some problems with my regular shadow analysis in sketchup that might be caused by the skelion plugin. In most cases my objects disappear for certain periods a day (while using the shadow slider). This differs a bit from the orientation of the object but it's rather severe. Is this a known bug of the skelion or sketchup 2015 software? Also I would like to know whether this can cause accuracy issues with my skelion shawdow derating calculations?

              Cheers

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                Juantxo
                last edited by 16 Jun 2015, 14:05

                Obects disappear: Not skelion related, is camera clipping. Change from parallel view to perspective view and problem is solved.
                Read about here:
                http://help.sketchup.com/en/article/36261

                Camera clipping problem does not affect shading derate calculations

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                  Froedem
                  last edited by 16 Jun 2015, 16:04

                  Tried all that already but it has nothing to do with zooming or anything. It's just when I use the shadow function everything just disappears during a certain time of the day. The rest of the day everything visualizes just fine including the shadows. The exact interval of this error depends on the camera position and day of the year.

                  Hope anyone can help!

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                    Juantxo
                    last edited by 16 Jun 2015, 18:40

                    Problem is not related with Skelion. Update to SketchUp 2015 last release.
                    And use perspective view.

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                      Froedem
                      last edited by 19 Jun 2015, 09:41

                      Something else, could you let me know how the shadow derating calculations of a face are determined? Is this based on a single string for the face (so that the worst performing module at a given time sets the minimum for the others) or is this based on a design with optimisers (performance of modules is independent of each other)? In any case it would be useful to have this option included in the software in order to come to an optimal system design or to calculate both shadow deratings. Besides that it would even be better to be able to select modules to be included for each independent MPPT string.

                      Cheers

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                        HANERGY
                        last edited by 22 Jul 2015, 08:44

                        Hi Guys!
                        I'm a beginner user of Sketchup (Pro 2015, version 15.3.331 64 bit) and I'm trying to design a PV-system in a flat roof with several chimneys. Is there any way to create the shading area and then automatically avoid those while filling in the available surfaces?

                        I hope someone can help me!
                        Many thanks!

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                          juju
                          last edited by 22 Jul 2015, 13:48

                          @hanergy said:

                          Hi Guys!
                          I'm a beginner user of Sketchup (Pro 2015, version 15.3.331 64 bit) and I'm trying to design a PV-system in a flat roof with several chimneys. Is there any way to create the shading area and then automatically avoid those while filling in the available surfaces?

                          I hope someone can help me!
                          Many thanks!

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                            HANERGY
                            last edited by 22 Jul 2015, 14:24

                            Thanks Juju!
                            Sorry but I haven't been very precise earlier...
                            I'm already using Skelion but I can't find out how to create the shading area and leave it empty when using the automatic option "insert solar component" also I believe this is not an option on the trial version, right?

                            Many thanks

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                              emerkel
                              last edited by 24 Jul 2015, 18:02

                              The "Sunny Area" (moon icon) tool doesn't seem to work on meshes (non-planar) surfaces. I am doing something wrong does it not support meshes? If the latter are there any plans to make this available? Thanks!

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                                Sminky
                                last edited by 5 Aug 2015, 01:42

                                Hi, I have been happily using skelion and pvsyst for some time and it's a powerful couple.
                                In the version log of the latest version of pvsyst, it finally says that it's now able to import shading objects from helios. So now I was wondering, is it possible to make it work for skelion?
                                Thanks for your time.

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                                  juju
                                  last edited by 5 Aug 2015, 07:10

                                  @sminky said:

                                  Hi, I have been happily using skelion and pvsyst for some time and it's a powerful couple.
                                  In the version log of the latest version of pvsyst, it finally says that it's now able to import shading objects from helios. So now I was wondering, is it possible to make it work for skelion?
                                  Thanks for your time.

                                  link for "pvsyst"?

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                                    Sminky
                                    last edited by 7 Aug 2015, 00:35

                                    Sorry, what do you mean by link for pvsyst?

                                    In skelion is already present an export tool for pvsyst but the exported objects that are not solar modules were not counted by pvsyst for the shadings.
                                    The last version log of pvsyst says that it now should be possible to read these shading objects but when I tried doing it with skelion, it didn't work. So, maybe, there is a little work to do on skelion side to make it happen. I don't know if this work with other software so I am not sure it's skelion fault, that's why I was asking if it's possible.

                                    This is the link to the change log I was talking about
                                    http://www.pvsyst.com/en/software/software-development

                                    Best regards

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                                      Juantxo
                                      last edited by 19 Oct 2015, 15:36

                                      Last version of Skelion has been released, with a nice solar tracking feature, for one and two axis solar trackers:

                                      [flash=560,349:lp902fjt]http://www.youtube.com/v/W8DdJ2VpgO0?version=3&hl=en_US[/flash:lp902fjt]

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                                        AirWindSolar
                                        last edited by 3 Nov 2015, 21:18

                                        OK, testing with the free version again.

                                        Still having the problem of it hanging when I have it insert modules more than once in a model. (We often have multiple revisions and/or add a surface, fill it, then draw out another surface if needed for the desired size, so inserting multiple times is a necessity for me.
                                        We use a railless racking system that allows pretty much any mix of orientations. Often this means we'll have a combination of portrait and landscape rows to best fill the available space. It would be great to have something that can effectively tessellate the available space as efficiently as possible using both orientations and accounting for a minimum amount of solar access for each module. (i.e. generally no shade at all between 0900-1600 year round, though this changes for some arrays)
                                        Get rid of that damn monolog box that I have to acknowledge at every startup until I install the latest version. It's not going to be my priority when I'm swamped with design jobs and is pretty much the reason I've uninstalled Skelion twice instead of buying the Pro version. I'm not inclined to pay for childish "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!" tactics over a non-critical update. Use something like that if it's about to format my backup drive, not because I might be missing out on a spelling correction somewhere.

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                                          AirWindSolar
                                          last edited by 16 Nov 2015, 19:36

                                          A corollary to the "no shade 0900-1600 year 'round" would be that I generally end up tracing that out by hand. The ability to do "sunny area" for a user defined list of dates/times throughout the year would be very helpful and well worth the purchase price for me. The list I would most likely use would be 26 iterations, but it generally ends up running only for a chimney (i.e. a simple box) or two casting shadows on a single plane, so even running 30 iterations of the current script takes less than 5 minutes for me.

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