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    andybot
    last edited by 11 Jan 2013, 23:36

    Trying to come up with a modern design for a trestle table. Critique requested πŸ˜„

    The top will be one piece of maple butcher block.

    table_render01.jpg
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    kitchen_table3v8.skp

    http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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      mwm5053
      last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 00:26

      Nice one Andy

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        mrossk
        last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 05:09

        Nice, but if you interested in some feedback- IMO, I would play with the thicknesses of some of your parts- they all look the same and for me that's a little sterile. Perhaps the feet could be a little thicker... And how about a small amount of contrasting wood, or perhaps peg the joints, to help it pop some...As it so happens I'm currently designing a trestle table for some clients. Here's a few I found on-line to get the creative juices flowing. Good luck, and I would love to see what you come up with. Michael

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          Dave R
          last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 17:13

          I like it but I agree with Michael. I would maybe make the feet thicker. Perhaps a bevel on the bottom edges of the top and angle the end of the caps on the stretcher to match the angles on the legs.

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            andybot
            last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 21:30

            Thanks everyone! Appreciate the responses.

            Michael, I did have in mind that there would be contrasting wood, specifically to differentiate some of the pieces. That's a good thought about the thicker feet, but I was thinking the verticals would be lapped over the feet. Here is an update with some changes to the materials. Dave, I like your idea of shaping the caps.
            table_render04-tweaks.jpg

            Oops, just looking at it again, I forgot about the bevel on the top. That is something I think would be worth doing. I'll do that next time I play with it.

            http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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              Dave R
              last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 21:49

              That's coming along nicely. I'm thinking the feet should be thicker than the legs.

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                mrossk
                last edited by 12 Jan 2013, 22:11

                As usual, I agree with Dave (and not just because he agreed with me πŸ˜„ ). One other point I'll raise is about your choice of the butcher block top. Of course you can use any top you want to, but traditionally (at least according to Christopher Schwartz of Popular Woodworking, and some other things I've read) the tops of trestle tables are usually on the thinner side rather than thicker. When I see butcher block I want to see beefy 8/4 or 10/4 rectangular legs. Again, just one guys opinion. Keep us posted,
                Michael

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                  andybot
                  last edited by 13 Jan 2013, 21:21

                  Thanks for the ideas! I really like the thinner edge, I see in the examples how it works well. I tried playing around with the feet having more weight to them. Here's an updated render.
                  table_render07b2.jpg

                  With the butcher block top - actually the original idea for this table was just that - four solid legs in the corners. I wanted to see if there was something more stylish to do with the legs. The surface wants to be something that can take a beating with 3 young kids. πŸ˜‰ Plus the counters will be the same material.

                  http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                    Dave R
                    last edited by 13 Jan 2013, 21:49

                    Nice.

                    I think the top is too thick even with the bevel. Simple maple boards glued edge to edge will make a nice durable top.

                    I didn't realize the feet are inverted Ts in section. How will you join the upright dark parts to the legs? Is it half-lap joints you have in mind? They appear to be the same thickness. It is that part that I was thinking should be thicker than the legs so you can mortise the legs into the base.

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                      pbacot
                      last edited by 13 Jan 2013, 23:39

                      NICE. I Like the kitchen too, though one might need some respite from the color and I guess the cabinets aren't done.

                      I like the shape of the legs as seen on the near side of the last post. The shapes look less cut-off and more integrated. But, what would the joint be?

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                        Dave R
                        last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 00:28

                        Peter, based on the that latest render, the joints would be half laps or as the Brits would say, halving joints.

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                          andybot
                          last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 12:26

                          Thanks Peter! Yes, Dave is right, the idea is a half-lap to emphasize the vertical. Quite right about the thinner top. Here it is with 1x boards. Might not need the edge bevel with this one, dunno. Tried another version with of the foot design as well.


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                            Dave R
                            last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 12:59

                            Andy, the thinner top is better. I think about a 1/4-in. chamfer would be better on the top.

                            I like the idea of the half-laps but something bugs me about the foot assembly. I can't quite put my finger on it. Suppose the legs were thicker and so were the feet. Then get rid of the inverted T. I think it also looks flat-footed. How about cutting a very shallow vee in the bottom of the foot leaving pads about 2 in. long at the ends. That'll help to lift the table.

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                              mrossk
                              last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 15:34

                              Still agree about the feet. 6/4 or 8/4 walnut is easy enough to source You could try a bridle joint to keep the maple visible if you wish. And I second Dave's notion to relieve the underside to create a samller footprint- much less dependant on a perfectly flat floor...but coming along nicely

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                                andybot
                                last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 19:08

                                Thanks for the ideas. Here's a revision with the relief under the feet and thicker wood for that piece. That's a good point that the foot may need more than a half-lap of wood continuing through, though with a thicker section it may work ok. I definitely like it better with more simple pieces than were I was going with adding the T to the foot.

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                                  Dave R
                                  last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 19:12

                                  Much better. I think your half laps will be just fine but you could do a really ninja thing and make them dovetailed. πŸ˜‰

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                                    mrossk
                                    last edited by 14 Jan 2013, 21:29

                                    Nice, I'll take one πŸ˜‰

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                                      andybot
                                      last edited by 15 Jan 2013, 00:00

                                      Thanks guys! Much appreciated πŸ˜„

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                                        dale
                                        last edited by 15 Jan 2013, 00:22

                                        Whenever I think of a trestle table, I always think of their ability to be knocked down.
                                        You could do a real elegant job of this on this table by having the darker wood on the end of your stretcher mortised over the "v" legs. If the mortise were angled to match the "v", then as you pushed it down it would lock the legs in. Holes in both the stretcher end, and the leg could have pegs, and would really lock the them, particularly if the leg hole was slightly offset lower than a snug fitting stretcher.
                                        Nice piece.

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                                          andybot
                                          last edited by 15 Jan 2013, 16:04

                                          Thanks Dale. I think I get what you are explaining about the added structural rigidity. I'm wondering since it's already triangulated, most of the forces are going be at the joint with the feet. (Acutally, which is a god reason in favor of a mortised connection instead of a lap connection... the lap could just "pop" out of joint if it's not secured well enough.)

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