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    [Plugin] SU2POV 3.5

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    • Didier BurD Offline
      Didier Bur
      last edited by

      Bonjour,
      Oui effectivement il y a un problème, mais qui n'arrive que sur des faces non extrudées, je ne sais pas pourquoi.
      Fait un cube avec cette face et tu verras ça marche 😳

      DB

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        CopperFr
        last edited by

        Bonjour,

        Arf dommage...

        En fait, j'avais vu que ça fonctionnait quand on extrudait la face (ca m'a d'ailleurs permis de voir que les uv_vectors étaient en cause)

        A noter par ailleurs que le plugin SU2Kerkythea fonctionne correctement dans ce cas de figure... (Bon par contre Kerkytheas est vraiment trop lent chez moi sur des images en 1920x1200)

        Je crois qu'il y a d'autres cas ou cela fonctionne pas (mais c'est peut-être un problème d'alignement de texture)

        Question subsidiaire : le code source est-il disponible pour que je puisse éventuellement y jeter un coup d'oeil ?

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          alanr
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          Hi - Like the plugin - works so much better than the previous one I had installed. Question - is there any way to alter the target of a spotlight once its been added to a scene, or is the only way to delete it and add a new one?

          Regards
          Alan.

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          • Didier BurD Offline
            Didier Bur
            last edited by

            Hi,
            You can orient the spot as you like once it has been created: just select the component and rotate it. The target of the spots are computed WHEN you export your model, the orientation is not an attribute of the spot itself.
            Regards,

            DB

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              alanr
              last edited by

              Am I doing something wrong? Simple scene, wall with a point light just in front of it. Created a cylinder, semi opaque to look like a shade and positioned this around the bulb. Rendered and all looked like expected. Then I grouped the bulb and the cylinder, and when rendered the light source seems to have moved to the origin while the bulb shape still renders in its original position. Whats going on?

              Alan.

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              • Didier BurD Offline
                Didier Bur
                last edited by

                Hi,
                Don't group cylinder (or anything else) with bulbs. The script needs to parse the model and find the bulb components to export them correctly. It doesn't dig into user groups to check for that, so bulbs components must be at 'top level' in the model.
                Regards

                DB

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                  alanr
                  last edited by

                  Thanks for your speedy reply - a good clear explanation - I'll just steer clear of grouping bulbs full stop! I assume this ruling applies equally to spotlights.

                  Any chance in the future we might be able to group bulbs along with metalwork and glass to make complete lamp assemblies?

                  Regards

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                    alanr
                    last edited by

                    Three surfaces, each with own texture, 1 sphere and a circle, just plain colours, and 2 point lights creates a 5.5Mb .pov file. Any tips as to how this can be reduced? as I notice it contains details of surfaces and textures I am not using in this simple scene.

                    Another downside of such a huge .pov file is that it takes almost 4 seconds for SU2POV to write it, not unreasonable given its size, but nevertheless an annoying delay before I can click POVrays Run button without getting an error.

                    I created a similar scene using Bishop3D and this produced a 5Kb .pov file which seems more reasonable.

                    Regards

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                    • Didier BurD Offline
                      Didier Bur
                      last edited by

                      Hi,

                      @unknownuser said:

                      this ruling applies equally to spotlights
                      Correct.

                      @unknownuser said:

                      Any chance in the future we might be able to group bulbs along with metalwork and glass to make complete lamp assemblies?
                      No 😳

                      @unknownuser said:

                      Three surfaces, each with own texture, 1 sphere and a circle, just plain colours, and 2 point lights creates a 5.5Mb .pov file.
                      It depends on the number of faces you used to create the sphere I guess. If it is based on an arc with 200 segments, this leads to a bunch of faces that "take place" to describe in a pov-ray file (which is an ascii file, much bigger than binary).

                      @unknownuser said:

                      it contains details of surfaces and textures I am not using in this simple scene
                      Yes, the script does'nt check wether a material is usued or not but exports all materials instead. A good idea is to purge all unused materials (and components as well), export the file, then undo to recover your materials/components.

                      Regards,

                      DB

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                        alanr
                        last edited by

                        Ok - good reply - but is there any easy means to delete all unused materials and components? I had thought about moving the materials and components folders away from SU, but this would then mean that although SU would not see them, I would have to generate materials as I went. Nicer would be from within SU so that I could develop a scene, then clearout all unused rubbish before SU2POV.

                        A ruby script perhaps ?? 😐

                        Regards,

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                        • Didier BurD Offline
                          Didier Bur
                          last edited by

                          Hi,

                          @unknownuser said:

                          is there any easy means to delete all unused materials and component

                          Yes, that's built-in: purge mats, comps, layers,styles.
                          purge.jpg

                          @unknownuser said:

                          A ruby script perhaps ?

                          Again yes. See TIG's gem 'Purge All': http://rhin.crai.archi.fr/rld/plugin_details.php?id=307
                          Regards

                          DB

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                            alanr
                            last edited by

                            Thanks for those tips Didier - they are very helpful. Also tried the script and thats even faster.

                            Combining these tips with your earlier comment about spheres generating a lot of code I have been able to achieve a dramatic reduction in .pov file size. One design that produced a 12MB pov file, now produces just 670KB, by purging everything unused and also removing 2 spheres based on 96 segment circles.

                            Is there any reason why your script does not recognise spheres and thus export them to povray as a simple statement, rather than as a series of (many) faces?

                            Regards

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                            • Didier BurD Offline
                              Didier Bur
                              last edited by

                              Hi,

                              @unknownuser said:

                              Is there any reason why your script does not recognise spheres and thus export them to povray as a simple statement, rather than as a series of (many) faces?

                              Simply because there's no geometric primitives (spheres, cubes...) in SU, and recognizing a sphere or another geometric shape in thousands of faces is almost undoable.
                              Regards,

                              DB

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                                alanr
                                last edited by

                                Oh right - hadn't realised that! But then again I suppose its obvious in that we don't actually create a sphere rather than rotate a semicircle through 360 degrees, but even then its lines and thus faces that if there are enough of them we get an object that looks like a sphere but made of up to hundreds of flat pieces.

                                Keep up the good work - most impressed.

                                One error - there's an image file missing. In the "edit pov-ray finish" option where you get to set finish and surface effect, under surface effect the image for "Minerals: paving pebbles" does not display. I guess this is just a small image file thats missing from the download. But I have had a look and paving pebbles is there as a png, so is there a typo in the main code?

                                Regards, Alan.

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                                • Didier BurD Offline
                                  Didier Bur
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi,

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  is there a typo in the main code?

                                  Yes 😳 just an underscore missing in the image file name.
                                  Try with the attached file (unzip it and put it in Plugins/su2pov folder). It should display the thumbnail now.
                                  Regards,


                                  To be unzipped and put in your SU_install_dir > Plugins > su2pov folder.

                                  DB

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                                    alanr
                                    last edited by

                                    😍

                                    Regards
                                    Alan.

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                                      alanr
                                      last edited by

                                      This may be beyond SU2POV but I'll ask anyway!

                                      White light, piece of (red) coloured glass (50% opacity) yet the shadow that falls on a white card remains neutral - is there any way to get a red shadow or for that matter a colour that mimics the colour of the glass the light is passing through? Or am I missing something?

                                      Regards,
                                      Alan.

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                                      • Didier BurD Offline
                                        Didier Bur
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi,

                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        am I missing something

                                        Yes, but I don't know what exactly. This seems to be pov-ray stuff to get coloured shadows, I guess you should look at "grey_threshold" to emphasize the radiosity effect. My 2 cts.
                                        Regards,

                                        DB

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                                          alanr
                                          last edited by

                                          I may be missing something but maybe not - applied a texture to a surface (tiles in fact) and although I can edit the texture in SU especially the scale and obviously SU shows this, when rendered the pattern remains unaffected by whatever scale I set in SU. Is there a way around this, so that the view in SU comes out exactly the same when rendered?

                                          Thanks.

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                                            alanr
                                            last edited by

                                            Created a sphere in SU - gave it a colour (or texture makes no difference) but right click over it and I am not offerred "edit pov finish" option - why is that? I'm sure I've just missed something. Yes its been saved and renders with POV succesfully, but I'm just not able to set any of the preset finishes or surface effects. Can do it with a cube so whats wrong?

                                            Thanks.

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