UK Riots
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@juanv.soler said:
@solo said:
, maybe a very strict curfew for a few weeks.
that would make things go worse and would not solve. I think Representatives of the Neighbourhoods Councils affected should do meetings with the living people there and meet in a soft way. Curfew for itself is unacceptable now if we look to bring peace and understanding. Was not it sólo ?.
I'm not suggesting a solution as I have no clue about the dynamics of the situation,I was just thinking aloud.
On our side of the world the media initially tried to make it look like a bunch of football hooligans on a rampage, then as the riots continued they tried to make it into a Rodney king scenario making a martyr of the guy who was killed, now they are calling it a cancer which is apparently spreading from London to other cities. Our media is notorious for getting the story wrong, but that's never stopped them from reporting as facts just get in the way of a juicy story. -
@lobster said:
Good Post Tig,
I thought Diane Abbot MP for Hackney summed it up very well with the phrase 'recreational looting'.
Must admit i am a little concerned for the safety of my workshop located in one of the more deprived parts of Liverpool not far from problems last night. Not sure if i should stay late tonight just to see......or what could I do anyway.
Sam
Yeah its bad times. I got caught in the flashpoint of the riot in Brixton on Sunday and now back home on my friends road last night in Liverpool cars getting torched! Last night there where 6000 officers in London on the streets tonight they have drafted in another 10000.
My friend in Peckham down the road had to evacuate his flat last night as they looted the argos store he lives above, totally cleaned it out.
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Photos like this slightly restore my faith in humanity as the clean up begins ...
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@rv1974 said:
Enjoy the fruits of the multiculturalism and tolerance. And don't worry in 20 years GB will be a quiet place under the
shariah regime
Actually from the reports the Muslim and Turkish communities were the only ones who banded together to protect businesses in their neighbourhoods - succeeding where the police weren't.
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@leedeetee said:
How we do this is the $64000 question.
it is not only the money to take into account 
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need to create a new media then -
Well said (well maybe could have used better language)
[flash=400,400:2o21pj34]http://www.youtube.com/v/DFzGgYQ6hJI&feature=player_embedded[/flash:2o21pj34]
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Looting and rioting taking place in Manchester and West Midlands tonight.
This is simply recreational looting on a mass scale. I feel so angry.
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@rv1974 said:
Enjoy the fruits of the multiculturalism and tolerance. And don't worry in 20 years GB will be a quiet place under the
shariah regimeKeep the borderline racist nonsense to yourself. I'm as appalled by what's happening as anyone else, and I do feel the left has made grave mistakes over the past few decades, but the right-wing populist discourse that's been spreading like wildfire throughout Europe recently, makes me want to vomit in disgust.
Now hop along, and go out of your way to do something meaningful for someone. Wanna change the world? Do your elderly neighbours' shopping, and stop whining.
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Maybe something good has to become from this. Action to solve with wisdom. Good luck Britain.
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I do hope so. Though adressing the problems that lie at the root of the current mayhem will probably prove a complicated task - and certainly an ungrateful one.
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but you are able to do it. no excuses this time
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The current activities in the U.K. are the equivalent of school yard bullying on a wider scale.
It has nothing to do with Politics, Race, Creed, Religion or any legitimate form of Protest.
It is the work of small minded individuals who take advantage of mob mentality.A bully in the schoolyard only has power when those on the sideline do nothing. The victim cannot go to their parents or the teachers, they have to solve it on their own.
In this case the police or authorities, however you want to look at it, will become the bad guys, just like your parents going to talk to the bully's parents.
The peaceful majority of the U.K. population need to come out in force and stand against the Ignorant minority.
I think it was Edmund Burke who said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
I would like to see the Brooms put into action before the sweeping needs to be done. If social media can be used to bring out the "Protesters" and the clean up crews, could it not be a force to stand between the water cannons and those that wish to take that which isn't owed to them.
It may sound simplistic, but protest and revolution is about everyone expressing their opinion. It's about time people stopped watching what is served up to them on the TV and went out and took back their world.
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A small portion of paranoia:
Don't you think it is too organized for a bunch of street bullies? Bombing a police station? Why? Why is the police letting them do it? What if they are cooperating this actions to justify something else, jet to come? -
Apparently, 30 to 40 (!) people armed with molotow cocktails (!!) set a Nottingham police station on fire last night. (No-one was injured, which is something of a miracle.) I'd be fine with it if these people were tried for attempted murder.
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@srx said:
Why is the police letting them do it?
Because there's virtually nothing they can do. Only the gravest of pre-emptive measures could protect police stations from these sort of attacks. If I were in charge, I'd not be very keen on putting heavily armed policemen outside of every police station. That, I think, would spur an 'arms race' of sorts. There's bound to be at least one dimwitted yob who'll get grandad's hunting rifle from the attic.
Just read that three men died in a deliberate hit-and-run while trying to protect their carwash from looters. Terrible.
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Most of our continental neighbours wouldn't think twice about the use of baton rounds and water cannon in these circumstances. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the order was given to shoot looters in New Orleans on sight...the effect was immediate.
Politicians here talk about policing by consent and adopt the attitude that we don't do that sort of thing here...we're British. I find it hard to determine whether this is a laudable attitude, or actually part of the root of the problem...engendering the idea that such behaviour can be indulged in with impunity.This needs to be stopped now...by whatever means necessary...but I have the uneasy feeling that it will just rumble on with continued inadequate police response. Come September and the end of the school holidays it'll all be brushed under the carpet yet again and teachers will be expected to contain these animals once more...presumably using their Harry Potter powers and a pinch of fairy dust...because they certainly aren't given the support and resources for such a task. My wife's school just lost a dozen staff due to the cutbacks.
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@alan fraser said:
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the order was given to shoot looters in New Orleans on sight...the effect was immediate.
I am not altogether sure whether that approach will work in this case. After all, what's going on, isn't 'mere' looting. The attack on the Nottingham nick, for instance, goes way beyond that. I'd be compelled to call that one an act of terrorism.
I do most certainly understand your sentiments, Alan, I'm just afraid things might escalate even further. And I don't want to pretend I have any idea what would be the right course of action.
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@unknownuser said:
The attack on the Nottingham nick, for instance, goes way beyond that. I'd be compelled to call that one an act of terrorism.
From wikipedia:
"The concept of terrorism may itself be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents,[6] and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may itself be described as "terror" by opponents of the state)."I don't think London police have no control over this bully groups. It is one of the oldest and best organized police force in the world. They know everything about each of them. They know what they had for breakfast, not to mention the preparing to bomb the police station.
I think the riots are organized by "elite" to make people hate and fight each other (police, black vs white, old vs young, left vs right, christian vs muslim...) cause this is the only way they can control them (us). To protect us from us, they will put us in chains justifying it with this scenes in London. This is what happened to Yugoslavia http://www.weightofchains.com/, and now it is global.Divide et impera
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when i was a kid i lived for a while in Heswall, then when young, for a while again, i lived in Liverpool. It shocked me then to see that your police was unarmed. I thought then that you were gentle and peace people and that violence and guns was a thing for the Scotland Yard and Sargeant Cork. ,._)
Yes, you have it difficult. You are pressed to deal with your true inner beliefs as a Nation and clarify them.
I think it would great for you to take out the burden of feeling an empire or a kingdom and descend to the feeling that you are alike the others are, just plain and simple people who likes and deserve to live in peace with each other. Politicians want to make it properly, in the British way, so said Alan. But the people here, as in Yugoslavia, does not understand why the police let the violents do what they did and are doing. There is something wrong here.
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