News that our souls need
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Don't totally agree with Oli on his statement that religion tears our world apart. Of course the extremes do, but that goes for other extremes as well. For example, extreme greed has terrible effects (exploitation of humans and natural resources), but there's nothing wrong with striving for financial independence. Same goes for religion I feel. Extremism leads to wars and social conflict, but that doesn't mean that anyone who practices a certain religion is contributing to the nasty side-effects.
I don't mind people who practice a religion, no matter which religion it is, as long as they don't bore me to tears with it. I'm interested as a bystander but refuse to be part of it. I also have a friend who collects stamps and I'm ok with him telling me how he found some rare specimen every now and then, but he knows better than to try and convince me to start collecting too. And back to religion again, among my friends are muslims, hindus, christians and jews, and just like the stampcollector we sometimes discuss certain aspects of their faith, but that's as far as it goes.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that as long as the practice of religion is undertaken in the same way a normal hobby is, by all means pray, chant, hug, share, and have a good time
There's other issues of course like abortion, euthanasia, curcimcision (did I spell that ok?), male-female equality etc etc. From my personal experience though, these are largely cultural phenomena falsely linked as being part of a certain religion per se.
My 2 cents
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right, ._)
common sense and let life liveNevertheless I think that about abortion, euthanasia, curcimcision, male-female equality etc, they are not falsely linked as being part of a certain religion. In fact they are "inside" the Books of the Churches, for they tried to regulate what you call, and I agree, largely cultural phenomena, still finding its understandings.
cheers
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True true, these issues are 'adressed' in the books. However, the thing that makes religious texts both great and terrible is the fact that they're very susceptible to interpretation. My friend Mohammed for example says that according to the teachings of the Islam every person who is of another faith should be considered a threat (rest assured, he's not intent on exterminating us
). My other friend Ibrahim reads, and lives by, the same book but believes that the Qur'an tells him to love and respect every living thing, regardless of religious or cultural beliefs. Most of the things I adressed are viewed differently by people/groups within the same religion (with, as far as I know, the exception of circumcision in the Jewish religion. I have never met a practicing jew opposed to circumcision).I believe that none of the 'mainstream' religious texts are specific enough for anyone to base a strict set of rules on. Interpreting them involves a mix of personal beliefs and values, cultural/geographical background and the ideas of the people who taught you.
All based on my personal experience from talking to people both in my own surroundings and on my travels. I'm not saying that this is the way it is. Just another case of personal interpretation I suppose
And indeed, as you sort of said; live and let live.
P.S. I consider myself to be pretty eloquent in English for a Dutchy, but damn it's hard to achieve the nuances when you're not using your native language
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didn't mean to cause any provocation. let me put it this way.
work hard, play hard and love your woman!
just enjoy life, you'll never find the answers you are looking for.
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sometimes life becomes hard to enjoy,
because life hurts as well.
There must be a reason on it that we know inside but we still ask for we do not fully understand it.
But I think one is able to get to understand all the questions that one is looking for.
I mean, why not ?cheers
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@unknownuser said:
just enjoy life, you'll never find the answers you are looking for.
Or just enjoy life, you'll find the answers you are looking for?
Seriously, Oli, you seem to wipe out a lot of human experience & thought with a wide eraser cursor. Perhaps I misunderstand...
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for sure , my note is not a "new"s (news) but also you finally may agree that there are "few" "new"s on this planet...........I was only able to see the vimeo film,(as youtube is banned..etc) and there are interesting attentionable, and also some +/- issues, as any other "game" that we "players" paly on this planet, this is also a "game" (taking apart religions, doing meditations etc etc...(as a long term believer and then a meditator/healer
)... here I'm not going to dig any argument, (also bkz am too lazy) and also you maybe as lazy as I am to put all of these sort of "leading"s apart.BTW my interesting treasure (that is rather old, but guess not recognised enough) is Thaddeous's book : http://freespace.virgin.net/sarah.peter.nelson/lazyman/lazyman.html
it gave me a clear vision, (during my past10-12 years), seems too easy and maybe shallow at a glance , but it really is inspiring for me until today. so let's be aware of our games , and just love ourselves... -
thankyou majid,
yes, lazyness is one on me too.
I help myself to read the texts you provide, with Free Natural Reader,
http://www.naturalreaders.com/I have picked up the basic attitudes from chapter 4,
No resistance : Be free in your head, act out of love, and do what feels good.
Love as much as you can from wherever you are : You may not want to love what you feel or see, you may not be able to convince yourself that you could love it at all. But just decide to love it
Love it the way it is. : You take yourself with you wherever you go. As they say in Zen: if you can't find it where you're standing, where do you expect to wander in search of it?Love yourself : Play a happy tune and happy dancers will join your trip.
Lazy now to keep on reading the rest,
I like very much this : If we "listen" to the world, and let it act on us without either-or judgments and ideas, then we can learn to comprehend each flash of pleasure as a tone in the infinite harmony. The orchestra of the world plays the familiar melodies again and again, and the old folks stand around and tap their feet while the young ones dance.
thanks again
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mate that you've enjoyed it, as this is prepared for lazymen (kidding) like me, so if you anjoyed it too, just take it easy and read on your pleasure
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Seriously, Oli, you seem to wipe out a lot of human experience & thought with a wide eraser cursor. Perhaps I misunderstand...
Yeah I think you have misunderstood me. No matter how much we debate religion/existence nobody is any the wiser...thats why I say "why dwell on it"... a frustrating pursuit of answers.
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nobody is the wiser,
correct assertion
( Oli, I think that there can be another point of view, in that correct assert
instead of frustating pursuit of answers,
exciting pursue of answers in both fields, existencial and talking about religion. This way, again, is much better, why not ? ) -
now this a hard new
we have been put at the front
YouTube - BP Oil Spill: Kindra Arnesen Venice LA Needs to Evacuate
[flash=480,385:1vruezvw]http://www.youtube.com/v/jkYJDI8pK9Y&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:1vruezvw]
our souls need to know we have to take action
as soon as we can
cheers mates -
healing the Gulf with the power of the minds and the hearts
YouTube - PLANETARY HEALING: GULF COAST
[flash=480,385:31pstc54]http://www.youtube.com/v/XBIyroQ8nIY&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:31pstc54]
¡salud¡ -
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well this was started on the **4 of May**this year,
and no one bring me any news about what that my soul need
and my soul has been cleared exposed
so no one ?
better not now that i am the **chámpion of the world**in football
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/13/sean_penn_on_haiti_six_months
YouTube - A Song for Haiti.mov
[flash=480,385:179vs0tq]http://www.youtube.com/v/MITMEy47Vk0&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:179vs0tq]YouTube - Henry Mc Elroy declara encuentro entre el Presidente Eisenhower y Seres Extraterrestres
[flash=480,385:179vs0tq]http://www.youtube.com/v/1mOgprdCc-U&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:179vs0tq] -
¿ why are you
anyway, I think you will like this new:
"Value Your Vibration ~ The Practical Application"YouTube - Value Your Vibration ~ The Practical Application
[flash=480,385:2igyxf67]http://www.youtube.com/v/QyRD6Rs9d4o&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:2igyxf67] -
Jesus Knew How to Ride a Bike
YouTube - Jesus Knew How to Ride a Bike /Jesús Sabía Montar en Bici. SUBTITULADO ESPAÑOL
[flash=480,385:3enytiep]http://www.youtube.com/v/aDX3Red4oV8&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3enytiep]
A bit strong , but nevertheless clarifying -
father, survivor of Nazi camp Auschwitz , dancing with his grandsons a CELEBRATION OF VITALITY
YouTube - I Will Survive Dancing Auschwitz
[flash=480,385:3hv7y1bl]http://www.youtube.com/v/sDQ7rTyKzBc&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3hv7y1bl]LONDRES, 16 julio 2010 (BBC).-
sorry I could not resist sharing
neither this one
YouTube - Born Again American
[flash=480,385:3hv7y1bl]http://www.youtube.com/v/vBZSBGHm0RY&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3hv7y1bl]BORN AGAIN AMERICAN
By Keith CarradineJust a workin’ man without a job
It got shipped off to China via Washington, D.C.
And I know I’m nothin’ special, there are plenty more like me
Just the same
I thought I knew the rules of the game i did notI stood up for this country that I love
I came back from the desert to a wife and kids to feed
I’m not sayin’ Uncle Sam should give me what I need
My offer stands
I’ll pull my weight you give me half a chanceI went up to a congressman and said to him “you know
Our government is letting people down”
He said he’d need a lot of help to buck the status-quo
I said there was a bunch of us aroundI’m a Born Again American, conceived in Liberty
My Bible and the Bill of Rights, my creed’s equality
I’m a Born Again American, my country ‘tis of me
And everyone who shares the dream from sea to shining sea
My brother’s welding chassis at the plant
He’s earning what our granddad did in 1948
While CEOs count bonuses behind the castle gates
How can they see
When all they care about’s the do re miIt’s getting where there’s nowhere left to turn
Not since the crash of twenty-nine have things been so unfair
So many of our citizens are living in despair
The time has come
To reaffirm that hope’s not just for someThe promise of America’s surrendering to greed
The rule is just look out for number one
But brace yourself‘cause some of us have sown a different seed
A harvest of the spirit has begunI’m a Born Again American conceived in liberty
My Bible and The Bill Of Rights
My creed’s equality
A Born Again American, my country ‘tis of me
And everyone who shares the dream from sea to shining seaIt’s clear my country’s soul is on the line
She’s hungering for something that she lost along the way
The principle the framers called upon us to obey
That in this land
The people’s will must have the upper handI felt the calling once before and took a sacred vow
And faithful to that vow I have remained
I hear the calling once again, my country needs me now
And to her cause I have been re-ordainedI’m a Born Again American conceived in liberty
My Bible and the Bill Of Rights, all people living free
A Born Again American, my country ‘tis of me
And everyone who shares the dream
From sea to shining sea
And everyone who shares the dream
From sea to shining sea
A M E R I C Alet´s brace
and finally till the next release of version 8
here is a place to learnYouTube - Knowledge and Transformation 1/6 J. Krishnamurti interviewed by Dr. Allan Anderson
[flash=480,385:3hv7y1bl]http://www.youtube.com/v/AaXUeKS8ho4&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3hv7y1bl]cheers and good summer
YouTube - David Icke - HUMAN RACE, GET OFF YOUR KNEES : A Project Avalon Interview with Bill Ryan
[flash=480,385:3hv7y1bl]http://www.youtube.com/v/e7WTxb-Oe7s&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3hv7y1bl]and
YouTube - Press TV-An Exclusive Interview with President Ahamadinejad(Part1)
[flash=480,385:3hv7y1bl]http://www.youtube.com/v/1WJ_lphOaCA&hl=es_ES&fs=1[/flash:3hv7y1bl]crop circles are becoming architectural
third of August 2010
**%(#000080)[SU 8 has come and sort of I feel compelled to go on with this thread.
_Nothing else to say but :
if there is intelligent life beings outside, they will tell, not us. So no more investigation on my part.
David Icke does not interest me anymore in general.
I think the reason of the falling of the Economic System and plus our Society is because of the practice of usury by everyone of us people who expect to gain money with the interest. That is USURY. We deserve what we have now.SO :
my thinking is to apply the Islam way, no usury in our System. Lets start to give credits without interest.
Banks make a good social work by keeping the money safe, and better job by lending it at no higher price than the quantity lended.
Banks get paid by fees for maintenance.
Cheerio.......it is been a pleasure for me to see that I have had some silent followers
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