Rooftop addition, my first render here

flipya · 7 May 2010, 21:00

Hi all,

these are the first renders I post here.

Please give me the harshest critiques you can dish out! (but click twice to view full please)
The material for the facades of the expansion of this appartment is very similar to this .

Rendered in Twilight , postpro Photoshop ofc

solo · 7 May 2010, 21:09

Philip, these look great, I am a little confused as to what is image and what is model (a good thing).
Can you post some wire images so I can understand?

Second image, first building, 4th level glass reflection a little give away.

D-space · 8 May 2010, 01:04

It's pretty tough to make much rendering comments esp on photomatch. I mean a small fraction is rendered (I guess) and most parts are photos.
Definetly the humans from the warehouse are pretty obvious.

flipya · 8 May 2010, 18:05

Thanks Solo, wireframe won't really show it so I'll post the original photos.

D-space, I see what you mean. Please C&C on the 100% crops below About the I-clone people, sometimes I prefer them over postpro or rendered PR cutouts, even though they lack realism. Matter of personal taste I suppose...

The reason the images show this much surrounding buildings is that the aim of the images was to convey the architect's feeling that the addition would fit into the roofscape. You know, committees and all...

Cyberdactyl · 12 May 2010, 16:50

Nice integration Flipya.

I have a couple of questions.

The texture inside the upper window suggests there's a brick wall inside?

Also, the roof looks like a ballasted membrane, is that correct?

olishea · 12 May 2010, 17:09

flipya have you considered a cheeky night render? light would look awesome coming through the polycarb...and you can make the original photos 'look' like its night time. just a thought

flipya · 12 May 2010, 17:52

Wew, thought this topic was gonna die quietly

@unknownuser said:

The texture inside the upper window suggests there's a brick wall inside?
Also, the roof looks like a ballasted membrane, is that correct?

That 'texture' is actually a reflection of the building (out of frame) behind camera-left. Noticed that modelling the surroundings really helped make the Polycarbonate come to life so that's what I did. Reflections suck though, your remark proves that . Should've just taken pictures of the surrounding buildings and mapped them to simple boxes. Lesson learned. About the roof; I have no clue what a ballasted membrane is (I studied architecture in Dutch and never finished it), but client didn't give me accurate specs on roof so I came up with this.
Thanks for your comments on integration, though that was the easiest part

@unknownuser said:

a cheeky night render

I know I know! I tried to ease my client into that, but no luck Would look cool, and I'm probably gonna have a little gap in jobs in about 3 weeks. I'm definitely gonna give it a go then! Not photoshopping the image though, close enough to just take a nighttime picture

And a P.S. of course: Sad thing is that in terms of realism I like the second one (view from below) the best, while it represents just 1/6th of the time

Music signature: great song by Rox

olishea · 12 May 2010, 18:05

@unknownuser said:

close enough to just take a nighttime picture

great! looking forward to it. i love this material, it comes alive at night. great work flipya

pyroluna · 12 May 2010, 18:40

Hey I'm looking at your picture again...
and suddenly I wonder:
How did that lady get there? Where is the door? There's no door leading to the roof terrace!

matteo · 12 May 2010, 19:48

@unknownuser said:

Hey I'm looking at your picture again...
and suddenly I wonder:
How did that lady get there? Where is the door? There's no door leading to the roof terrace!

Teleportation
And you haven't seen anything yet: the toilet resides on a desert exotic island!

Ok, the last was a tribute to Dan Simmons' Hyperion novel.

On a serious way, flipya: that's a great rendering/photo montage! It might be not ultra-real, but it gives the exact sense of what the new addition will be.

flipya · 12 May 2010, 20:06

@unknownuser said:

How did that lady get there?

The (future) roof-terrace belongs to the neighbours

@Matteo; haven't read any books by Dan Simmons, but it sounds intriguing
Thanks for your comment on the images. Conveying the general idea of the structure was exactly what we set out to do, and judging by your response we succeeded

Daniel · 12 May 2010, 20:10

Beautiful design/renderings, Philip. Looking at the glass railing in front of your female friend, though, it appears it too low for a guard rail. Or, do you WANT people to tumble over it?

Cyberdactyl · 12 May 2010, 22:38

@flipya said:

About the roof; I have no clue what a ballasted membrane is

Commercial flat roofs consist of roughly three general types. There are more, but the below are the most common.

-A Bitumen "build-up" (if you've ever seen the Shawshank Redemption, that's what they are doing in the roof scene) It's basically a mopped asphaltic substance with layers of felt paper, sometimes with fine gravel for UV protection.

-An exposed membrane of some sort, EPDM (like intertube rubber), Thermoplastic or PVC that's mechanically fastened or glued.

-Ballasted membrane of EPDM, TPO or PVC. Ballasted simply means putting river rock on top of a membrane to "anchor" or hold it down.

For example, the roof in your picture that you are setting your translucent addition on is ballasted or a loose laid membrane with rock weighing it down.

flipya · 13 May 2010, 16:17

Thanks Cyberdactil, I guess in that case it is indeed a ballasted membrane.

Gonna study this info from you, as my clientbase is expanding to include more international clients it's a good thing to know the english words