Ireland Ratifies EU Lisbon Treaty in Sweeping 'Yes' Referend
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Ireland Ratifies EU Lisbon Treaty in Sweeping 'Yes' Referendum = A BIG MISTAKE IMO. I imagine you know which way I voted. I actually read the Treaty and the 'assurances' we have been given the second time around and still decided it was a NO from me.
This was the second time the Irish were asked to vote on the Lisbon Treaty, the reason being that the EU did not like our NO vote the last time around.
I imagine the main reason people voted YES this time around was because of fear of exclusion and in these uncertain times this was enough to sway the vote to a YES. I imagine the millions pumped into the campaign by the EU also helped!
Just after the Treaty was carried, I now see announcements coming that Tony Blair has his sights set on the EU Presidency and I, as an EU Citizen, will have NO VOTE when it comes to this (IMO) Warmonger gaining this position. I imagine MANY Irish people (YES voters) on reading this news will now be wondering if they have made the right decision! The news of Blair's intentions IMO were suppressed prior to the vote, here at least.
It looks to me that democratic power is gradually being stripped within the EU and some kind of a 'Global Plan' is being enacted. Maybe there is a grain of truth in what the conspiracy theorists have been saying all along after all.
Mike
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your turning in to coen
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Maybe Coen is not that wrong. The 'plot' would seem to be rolling out before our eyes. -
Theres a referendum and the majority vote yes, hardly good conspiracy material
p.s. I'll leave it at that for fear of derailing this thread further.
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I could not agree more with you Remus, the people VOTE and that should be an end to it. The people of Ireland voted NO in the initial referendum BUT it was not an end to it. The EU demagogs DEMANDED a YES vote and were willing to do whatever to took to get one.
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@mike lucey said:
The people of Ireland voted NO in the initial referendum BUT it was not an end to it.
That's the difference between democracy and dictatorship. A dictator would just have changed the people to one that would vote right, a democracy gives another chance...
Anssi
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we always learn the hard way. Ten years from now, when the People see the results
of what they voted for, When they have had time to digest the weight of the added rules and regulations signed into law by the faceless unelected bureaucrats in Belgium, then perhaps the people will rise up......But I would'nt hold my breath!
The majority might still be too busy watching reality TV, while slurping their 5% beer.
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Well, I think the Irish voted YES because the boom has gone bust, and like most people are more interested in the short term response, 'what's in it for me?'. My God! My house is no longer worth trillions of Euros, and I might lose my job if the recession goes on much longer. But wait a minute, the EU will bail me out, but only if we vote YES to that incomprehensible treaty they keep going on about. No sweat! Just say YES and the Euros will start rolling in. It works every time when the electorate are so easily won over by promises of prosperity.
I'm now hoping for a delay in the ratification and a Tory win in the UK for a referendum that will put this treaty where it belongs, and I'm much too polite to say where.
Regards,
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The Lisbon Treaty for dummies
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It has been common knowledge here in the UK that the self-serving, money-grabbing Blairs have been lined-up for the EU Presidency for some time. His choice is between keeping his current money-making schemes or to take the power and prestige and the trappings that go with it as the EU President.
Disgusting that we have no say at all.
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Yes, I agree that the majority of people in Ireland are under the impression that a 'yes' vote will continue the gravy train or at least the 'bail out' Euros'. I feel they will be in for a very rude awakening in the not too distant future.
Some months ago I read a very interesting article which debunked the Irish 'gravy train' suggestion. While Ireland did gain billions from the EU for infrastructure, roads, ports etc, we also gave away our fishing rights, (the largest in Europe) for the quick buck! The Polititians that did this should be shot!
I would have much preferred if our idiot politicians had the foresight to see that we could have developed this industry to its maximum instead of relying on the likes of Dell, Intel etc etc that are really only here for the tax breaks and low wages of 10 years ago. The only problem now is that similar tax breaks and much lower labour cost is available in the newly joined EU countries, Poland etc.
Still the up side is that I think Ireland is now starting to SEE that we have to build on what we have, Fisheries (hope we take them back), Green Food Production, Wind and Wave Power and not to forget Tourism. However it will take at least 10 years plus before we will see these industries being fully developed.
Mike
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