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      remus
      last edited by

      @ecuadorian said:

      ...there was once this little "contest" in the MoI forum of SketchUp vs MoI. It was about which app could model a shape in less seconds. MoI won.

      To be fair to sketchup, the subject was quite biased towards MoI, i.e. lots of boolean operations were involved.

      </SU defense>

      http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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        Ecuadorian
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        Now that I remember... there's also MoI.

        • It's $200

        • Exports SketchUp format

        • Clean interface - you can actually figure out how to do stuff, and there was once this little "contest" in the MoI forum of SketchUp vs MoI. It was about which app could model a shape in less seconds. MoI won.

        • Uses the same file format as Rhino, the hottest NURBS modeler today. So if you end up working for a company that uses Rhino, It's a lot easier to convince them to buy a copy of MoI than of Bonzai3D, both because of cost and because of compatibility. Actually, of my former College friends, about half use ArchiCAD; one or two have tried SketchUp but rarely use it, and three of them work with Rhino on a daily basis. None uses Form-Z.

        So...

        EDIT: I've just noticed that thomthom has just mentioned MoI, too. I should have read his posts more carefully. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

        -Miguel Lescano
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          hebrides
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          I find the whole thread to be out of place and a waste of space. The fact that other modeling companies feel they need to trespass here to promote is the first sign of their weakness.

          Sketchup has a huge audience. Lets face it, good or bad, there isn't any other surface modeler that works so well and is available to so many. There never will be.

          If you think you can come here and convert 1000's of SU users you are fooling yourself, it is too late for that. Where were you 6 years ago??? No original thought then, no original thought now.

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            thomthom
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            Gheesh. So much negativity. Since SU is a mesh modeller and Bonzai NURBS modeller I find to be like comparing oranges to apples.
            I find Bonzai to be a very interesting application and I'm happy that I was informed about it here. I'm also happy that they come and answers questions over at this forum so I don't have to sign up at theirs.
            I don't see Bonzai as replacing SU, I see it as another weapon in the arsenal.

            Thomas Thomassen โ€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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              solo
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              @unknownuser said:

              Ecuadorian wrote:
              ...there was once this little "contest" in the MoI forum of SketchUp vs MoI. It was about which app could model a shape in less seconds. MoI won.

              Damn I missed that, next time they have one of those let me know, I love those types of contests.

              http://www.solos-art.com

              If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                thomthom
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                @solo said:

                @unknownuser said:

                Ecuadorian wrote:
                ...there was once this little "contest" in the MoI forum of SketchUp vs MoI. It was about which app could model a shape in less seconds. MoI won.

                Damn I missed that, next time they have one of those let me know, I love those types of contests.

                Why not encourage a new one? Bite thy thumb at them! ๐Ÿ˜„

                Thomas Thomassen โ€” SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  pilou
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  It was about which app could model a shape in less seconds. MoI won.

                  ๐Ÿ’š
                  Damned! It was me the challenger for Su against Moi! ๐Ÿ˜’
                  It was just because Michael Gibson ask me : in how many time could you make this?
                  For the the fun I had accepted and said something like "in a very short time" ๐Ÿ˜„
                  You can see the fight here ๐Ÿ’š
                  Begin slowly post 1 to the end ๐Ÿ˜† http://moi3d.com/forum/messages.php?webtag=MOI&msg=1978.1
                  One guy has made 22 seconds (with Moi) ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
                  Try to do it, but you must have a little training ๐Ÿ˜‰ I believe that I made 35 - 40 second with SU ๐Ÿ˜’
                  Booelan plug did'nt exist at this date maybe that change something now? (and Michael wanted that I didn't use many plug)
                  So I had just used Mirror
                  Maybe you can find another method than mine ๐Ÿ˜‰
                  Have fun! โ˜€ But carreful that is very bad for the blood pressure! ๐Ÿ˜†

                  http://moi3d.com/forum/get_attachment.php?webtag=MOI&hash=eaa107a6b3f9cf0703f5ae22d648ad12&filename=sketchup_export1.jpg

                  http://moi3d.com/forum/get_attachment.php?webtag=MOI&hash=f1cc7e0727f4b854b786d6745271f494&filename=concept.jpg

                  Frenchy Pilou
                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                  My Little site :)

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                    hebrides
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                    Fast model building....wow, I'm impressed. Can anyone show some Bonzai models in production? Where is the money? or is it just a toy? I see SU earning money everyday. I'd like to see where the potential is for this app. Not hypothetical, real. I would be more inclined to use it if it was a money maker. For the sake of hobby, yes fast modeling is a game we can play. Tell me guys, where is the meat?

                    First attempt at the model above with SU, 18 seconds, at a leasurely pace. I don't get it??

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                      Jim
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                      @hebrides said:

                      I find the whole thread to be out of place and a waste of space. The fact that other modeling companies feel they need to trespass here to promote is the first sign of their weakness.

                      I agree. This thread has been taken way off-topic, and I don't think it belongs here.

                      Hi

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                        hebrides
                        last edited by

                        Here is one for you to try out. This matching couch and chair took 44 seconds to build with SU.


                        fastmodel.jpg

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                          remus
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                          Id much prefer they come and offer support rather than leaving people to flounder around trying to work things out for themselves.

                          Hebrides, if you can be bothered (its quite a hassle, i know) id love to see a screen capture of you modelling the moi challenge. I had a quick go and got around 1 min, and i consider myself a reasonably proficient with SU.

                          http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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                            hebrides
                            last edited by

                            Well yes it is a bit of a job...I can understand your wanting to confirm this time. You will just have to take my word for it. I have been using SU from the beginning, 6 to 8 hours everyday, thankfully weekends off. That would put my time in SU just over 10,000 hours. Believe me, once you have that many hours under your belt the whole process becomes a reflex. It is also about shortcuts. One hand on the keys and one hand on the work. It is just like playing an instrument, after hours of practice it becomes an extention of your thinking.

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                              pilou
                              last edited by

                              So you are fine for the other above! ๐Ÿ˜Ž
                              40 second to fight!( SU), (22 second Moi) ๐Ÿ˜‰ Good luck! ๐Ÿ˜Ž
                              Mine is possible because I am not Paganini ๐Ÿ˜„ Moi's will be more difficult! โ˜€

                              Frenchy Pilou
                              Is beautiful that please without concept!
                              My Little site :)

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                                johnsenior1973
                                last edited by

                                @hebrides said:

                                Well yes it is a bit of a job. I can understand your wanting to confirm this time. You will just have to take my word for it.

                                What a pity that a SU genius like yourself cannot master a simple screen capture software. How lucky we are though that you can tell us how great you are.

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                                  hebrides
                                  last edited by

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  What a pity that a SU genius like yourself cannot master a simple screen capture software. How lucky we are though that you can tell us how great you are.

                                  I must say that made me laugh pretty hard...a few of my colleagues here just about messed their pants. ๐Ÿ‘

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                                    Gaieus
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                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    ...Booelan plug did'nt exist at this date maybe that change something now? (and Michael wanted that I didn't use many plug)...

                                    Why not? Plugins are deliberately made possible in (and part of) SU therefore they belong to it. You can put it this way; that's SU's strength over many modellers. If you want to compare modellers,compare them in their full capacities - including plugins.

                                    It's like comparing a sail boat to a steamboat - "but you cannot use coal for the steamboat" (because it's not part of it in the shop). ๐Ÿ˜’

                                    Anyway, as you say, BoolTools didn't exist then so this is just theoretical. ๐Ÿ˜„


                                    (Sorry for the OT post)

                                    Gai...

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                                      pilou
                                      last edited by

                                      @Gaieus: Prog by default in early version for equilibrate possibilities ๐Ÿ˜„
                                      But sure plugins must be integrated with any restriction! โ˜€

                                      Frenchy Pilou
                                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                      My Little site :)

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                                        Ecuadorian
                                        last edited by

                                        I understand that Michael himself built MoI in a modular way, right, Pilou?
                                        I've seen in the MoI forum that he can easily add functionalities to it, just as Ruby Masters do with SU.

                                        -Miguel Lescano
                                        Subscribe to my house plans YouTube channel! (30K+ subs)

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                                        • pilouP Offline
                                          pilou
                                          last edited by

                                          Yes of course ๐Ÿ˜‰
                                          But Michael see his prog for some users : beginner , or advanced
                                          That was just for use basic functions no more, and again with a prog in early conception so not possible to have all functions ๐Ÿ˜‰
                                          Like now Su has not "Bend" function (Fredo6 is making a cool one)
                                          it will be unfair to ask a bending object if bend don't yet exist ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                          Frenchy Pilou
                                          Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                          My Little site :)

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                                            bonzai3d support
                                            last edited by

                                            Hello,

                                            A few of you asked to see projects done with bonzai3d. While it is still Beta software (which is generally not recommended for paying projects), there have been a few user posts showing projects. You can find more about these here:

                                            http://www.formz.com/forum2/messages/32331/34223.html
                                            http://www.formz.com/forum2/messages/32331/33952.html?1237571774
                                            and
                                            http://www.formz.com/forum2/messages/32331/34172.html?1237670627

                                            Of course, we have had a lot of much larger projects sent to us, but unfortunately we have not yet received permission to publish these. Look for more images posted to our forum in the near future!

                                            support@bonzai3d.com


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