Why vote Obama?
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Can't be that important.
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Pete, I think he's talking about the links I posted.
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@solo said:
I did a Google news search and only one report from Faux news appeared, guess it's just not news worthy to the other networks, so it's a non-issue.
Y'all are grasping at desperate straws now ...tsk, tsk.
Classic.
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Have not read them yet, will check it out in a while.
I got a rare glimpse of Bob Barr last night on PBS news hour, His views on the credid crisis are definately better and bolder than the sum of the two candidates, and his opinion of Iraq is almost word for word the same as Obama's, he doesn't think very much of McCain either I see.
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BYW, Tom's link is a video and not very long; maybe you've already seen it. I wish I'd seen Bob Barr on TV; he doesn't make many appearances. I've heard him speak about McCain before. It's a real shame there were NO third party candidates in the debates. I think if enough people vote third party (Libertarian, in my case) we could pressure the networks into including them.
The only change we'll get with Obama is a more liberal/socialist government. The only change we'll get with McCain is....well.... no change. Neither one is acceptable to me.
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What the "mavericks" are doing with this seems to be case in point:
Also please note he said "if Obama is in the Whitehouse" not "only if Obama is in the Whitehouse" (how they twist the true into the false and then actually say it out loud is just crazy)...either candidate will most likely be tested in this manner: nearly all since Kennedy have been also. (At least Obama won't have be dealing with a "crisis" from a republican Congress as well :`)
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Okay learned something today: the link to the Biden speech was to my google search yesterday...which has added content today, sorry. Here's the direct link to the youtube video:
If anyone has found the full transcript of the speech (my second link is to a partial) please post, thanks.
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In a piece for the New York Times Magazine, Robert Draper peers behind the curtain of the McCain operation and cycles through, by his count, the six narratives that the campaign has pushed. (The latest being “The Fighter (Again) vs. the Tax-and-Spend Liberal”). But what’s remarkable about the piece is the extent to which McCain, who is supposed to be a born leader, is, in fact, the creature of his advisers. His chief campaign strategist, Steve Schmidt, severed McCain from his old garrulous self by insisting that the candidate keep the media at bay. Schmidt and other advisers apparently chose Sarah Palin (who, it turns out, has a voice coach) as his best-possible running mate before they even mentioned her to McCain. When all is said and done, it seems that McCain’s campaign will be best by a new narrative: McCain vs. his advisers.
Here is link to the story: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26mccain-t.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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@bellwells said:
It's a real shame there were NO third party candidates in the debates. I think if enough people vote third party (Libertarian, in my case) we could pressure the networks into including them.
I agree it's a shame there were only two, but last I counted there were about eight people running for the office of the President (most of whom I never even heard of), and including them all would have been too much. The networks do not determine who is included in the debates, but rather the Commission on Presidential Debates. Amongst their criteria, a candidate must have support from 15% of the national electorate, as indicated by five national polling organizations, such as Ross Perot had in '92.
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I'd like to see Les included in the debates:
http://mefeedia.com/entry/video-beer-party-on-the-lips-of-voters/11967101
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@daniel said:
I agree it's a shame there were only two, but last I counted there were about eight people running for the office of the President (most of whom I never even heard of), and including them all would have been too much. The networks do not determine who is included in the debates, but rather the Commission on Presidential Debates. Amongst their criteria, a candidate must have support from 15% of the national electorate, as indicated by five national polling organizations, such as Ross Perot had in '92.
Appreciate the information. I think the percentage should be reduced to 5-10%; 15% is quite a lot and a tough barrier to overcome.
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LMFAO, they are desperate now.
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Sooooo, no reaction to Biden's crazy statement,huh? And some of you think the press isn't liberal?? My God!!! It's sickening. I may actually change my vote to McCain just to spite the network nitwits.
Pete, do you really think McCain's campaign had ANYTHING to do with this nutty lady's story? It's as likely that Obama's campaign did this.
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@bellwells said:
@daniel said:
I agree it's a shame there were only two, but last I counted there were about eight people running for the office of the President (most of whom I never even heard of), and including them all would have been too much. The networks do not determine who is included in the debates, but rather the Commission on Presidential Debates. Amongst their criteria, a candidate must have support from 15% of the national electorate, as indicated by five national polling organizations, such as Ross Perot had in '92.
Appreciate the information. I think the percentage should be reduced to 5-10%; 15% is quite a lot and a tough barrier to overcome.
How is any candidate supposed to get that kind of support without
A: being seen on the national stage via the mainstream media. (a bit of a catch22 there.)
B: being included in the polls conducted by the national polling organizations (no 3rd party candidates are listed on those polls)How about looking at how many ballots they're on? Nader is on 45 of the 50 state ballots despite nearly impossible state laws that make that very difficult.
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Eric, the system is rigged against third parties. Bastards. We need a revolution.
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Ron
I agree with you, we need another revolution. The first one got us out from under English tyranny. Now we need to take a look and see how we're gonna get out from under the next one. Do the words..."taxation without representation" ring any bells with anyone? Maybe we need to find another harbor somewhere and have another party....
I've been thinking about a write in campaign for "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Hell, it worked for Richard Prior in Brewsters Millions, why not now?
Does it not bother anyone but me that before coming to the US Senate, Obama had never held a public office outside of his neighborhood? His opponent's VP choice has had more experience than he has, but hey, she's just "a soccer mom". Huh, what could she possibly know about politics? not enough to get her name in the top spot apparently. But, this is a senators race, and she never has been a senator, that disqualifies her automatically.
Considering all that, looks like Nader may get the nod on this one.
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@bellwells said:
...Sooooo, no reaction to Biden's crazy statement,huh? And some of you think the press isn't liberal?? My God!!! It's sickening...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/22/earlyshow/main4539871.shtml (1:40 in)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#27328627 (3:55 in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjeKgDipkYI (2:38 in)
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@bellwells said:
...I may actually change my vote to McCain just to spite the network nitwits...
Gee, I take all this much more seriously...kinda steams me that I took you to be serious too, Ron.
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I understand your confusion, Tom. The lack of reaction I referred to was from this board. Not surprising, though.
The mainstream liberal press has focused more on Palin's clothing budget that Biden's dangerous and irresponsible statements. They have the nads to call into question Palin's "experience" while completely ignoring that Obama is nothing more than an empty suit with oratory skills. Period. I am sick and tired of the press. They are a dangerous lot.
You can't be as steamed as I am.
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LOL, the McCain bunch keep falling over themselves.
Meet Joe - the brother
Seems that anger is a family thing.
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