My first Doric temple.

EddyNL · 7 Sept 2008, 15:08

Hey guys,

I bought myself a really cool architecture book.
I'm really getting interested in this whole architecture thing!

Anyways,
here's my first Doric temple. Just for fun.

pilou · 7 Sept 2008, 15:15

Post Modern !

pbacot · 7 Sept 2008, 17:41

Great. Be careful about getting sucked into this architecture thing.

Like the temple name and Bryce casually walking out.

EddyNL · 7 Sept 2008, 19:06

Thanks guys!
(It's a bit "Napoleanastic" to put my name on it...)
I plan to work on the model to add some more details though.

@unknownuser said:

Great. Be careful about getting sucked into this architecture thing.

Whaddayamean? Is that good or bad????

Gaieus · 8 Sept 2008, 10:18

Nice Eduardo, really, but let me add some critics at the beginning (before you work too much on it) by this very first glance:

on the front of a Greek temple, the number of columns is always even (you have 7 now - which would mean that the middle one is blocking the entrance)
you have only six columns on the side - this will result in a wider than long temple which is certainly not correct. For 6 columns on the front, about 11 on the side would be fine - for 8 columns on the front (like the Parthenon), 15 (there are exceptions however, like the temple of Apollon in Delphoi but these are due to viewing angles).
On the frieze, one triglyph (that piece with the three bevels or what) is alway above a column and one is always in between (this creates a bit of conflict in the corners but the Greeks overrode this with cheating a bit).
The metopes (metopai ) - the spaces between the triglyphs (triglyphoi) are recessed, not protruded.
The pronaos (the space between the front columns and the entrance) seems to be a bit too deep (it should be one space of a column deep if there's no additional structure there). This way it looks rather like Roman temples.
I hope you don't mind these crits - and I seriously like your model (like everything "ancient") just wanted to tell all this before you go on.

Have a look at Kephalos ' temple of Apollon in Kyrene (the English would probably pronounce it as Cyrene) - it is not perfect either - I think the enthasis (the bulging tapering) of the columns is a bit strong - but is a good start as well (you can download the model under the flash animation).
BTW your columns could use some enthasis, too.

Cheers

Gaieus · 8 Sept 2008, 11:42

What, James?

I truely wrote all the above with a helpful intention!

Gaieus · 8 Sept 2008, 12:34

Well,

@unknownuser said:

I plan to work on the model to add some more details though.

That's why I wanted to help still in this early phase.

Daniel · 8 Sept 2008, 13:36

Looks good, Ward. In addition to Gaius's comments, it looks like your capitals are a little off as well. In the Greek Doric order, the echinus is practically the same size as the abacus. Looking at the sides of the abacus on your model, they look too wide. Also, the architrave should be set back slightly from the abacus; it's hard to tell in your picture, but they look even.

mirjman · 8 Sept 2008, 14:34

I noticed nobody busted out the word "entasis" yet but it would also help out the model! nice detail though, especially if you're modeling from a book!

david_h · 8 Sept 2008, 14:41

This sounds like the great Welsh Coal Mine Dispute of 1848: From the Genius of Monty Python . ..

@unknownuser said:

Hey, gaffer, can you settle something? Morgan here says you find the abacus between the triglyphs in the frieze section of the entablature of classical Greek Doric temples.
You bloody fool, Morgan, that's the metope. The abacus is between the architrave and the aechinus in the capital.
You stinking liar.
Oh, most magnificent and merciful majesty, master of the universe, protector of the meek, whose nose we are not worthy to pick and whose very feces are an untrammelled delight, and whose peacocks keep us awake all hours of the night with their noisy lovemaking, we beseech thee, tell thy humble servants the name of the section between the triglyphs in the frieze section of a classical Doric entablature.
No idea. Sorry.

Still no settlement in the coal mine dispute at Llanddarog. Miners refused to return to work until the management define a metope. Meanwhile, at Dagenham the unofficial strike committee at Fords have increased their demands to thirteen reasons why Henry III was a bad king. And finally, in the disgusting objects international at Wembley tonight, England beat Spain by a plate of braised pus to a putrid heron. And now, the Toad Elevating Moment.

EddyNL · 9 Sept 2008, 11:38

Thanks for the comments guys, nice to see all this knowledge here!

Got some new renders.

Now 6 columns front and 11 on the side.
Triglyphs are now protruded.
Metopes extruded.
Moved the entrance to the temple closed to the columns.
Changed the size of the abacus(usses?? hehe)
Changed the guttae.
Model is now 375kb instead of the 464kb first model.

Comments welcome!
Regards, Ward

Gaieus · 9 Sept 2008, 12:41

@mirjman said:

I noticed nobody busted out the word "entasis" yet but it would also help out the model! nice detail though, especially if you're modeling from a book!

Hm...
But you are right - that's a must as the next step. Then we shall deal with the ratios.

@gaieus said:

Have a look at Kephalos ' temple of Apollon in Kyrene (the English would probably pronounce it as Cyrene) - it is not perfect either - I think the enthasis(the bulging tapering) of the columns is a bit strong - but is a good start as well (you can download the model under the flash animation).
BTW your columns could use some enthasis, too.

Eduardo,

Nice progress!

You still need to sort the triglyphs out. One above each column (except in the corners where they go to the end of the frieze) and one between every column. That would make 11 altogether - now you have 9.

As for the enthasis, have a look at this column (I have a tutorial about it somewhere - I'll try to find it later or watch this BaseCamp video below - it's somewhere at the 2/3 of it ).

Video link
(After Chris and Susan and a very boring component trick of mine)

doric_coloumn.skp

EddyNL · 9 Sept 2008, 12:55

Thanks for the quick reply.
I'll get to it! (Its a perspective thing I know, but the bulge in the column really looks weird.)

I'll take a look at your Basecamp video as well.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.

Gaieus · 9 Sept 2008, 12:56

We all learn from each other all the time!

Have a look at this temple in Poseidonia / Paestum (nowadays Italy). My columns is definitely more slender but this temple is also (about a century) older: