Pushpull on Steroids
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@unknownuser said:
Tremendous app for mechanical design, but for architecture though, don't you want more detailing for 2D production drawings?
At this point I do not think that there is an application that offers the complete package (despite what the software houses tell us). Savvy design-led architects will opt for setting up a customised work flow with a number of applications specialised for various aspects of the design/presentation/documentation work flow, rather than choosing for jack-of-all trades 3D/render/CAD solution that offers strong integration at the expense of flexibility. This is where Sketchup fits in and I think this is also how Spaceclaim is positioning itself as a specialised modelling element alongside other primary design applications. Thinking about it more, there are many situations where working with Sketchup doesn't quite make it (I think of faceted curves and faces that are an approximation and therefore not accurate when working on smaller elements),- where I could do with a secondary modeller that can handle small knuckles and details that are tedious to construct and execute in Sketchup. From this point of view Spaceclaim begins to present a compelling option.
[- But page layout/annotation/dimensioning in Spaceclaim does not look that shabby either!)But like many I'll wait for 7 and see if bigG has raised the bar...(Did somebody say mid September?)
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Solidworks seems to offer a pretty complete solution.
Saying that i still agree with your point, certainly form the point of efficiency anyway.
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I've applied for the 30 day trial and got an e-mail back saying
@unknownuser said:
Thank you for requesting a trial of SpaceClaim. A SpaceClaim representative will contact you.
That was yesterday so lets see how quick, if at all, they respond as I'm currently working under BST on the east side of the Atlantic!
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Got my instructions by e-mail today and downloaded the installer so that's a good start!
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PeterCharles
I look forward to your full review at the beginning of October!
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@toxicvoxel said:
PeterCharles
I look forward to your full review at the beginning of October!
.First, find a suitable PC (probably a Dell M6300).
Second, get approval to install it
Third, actually try it outSo beginning of October is a bit optimistic I think
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Dear Peter,
In the meantime and out of interest, why don't you email SpaceClaim a Sketchup model (as a .skp, a .dwg, a .dxf etc) and ask them to see if they can import it into their modeller. They seem to be able to import models from most mechanical 3D applications (Inventor, SoldWorks, Pro/E etc).
I have found a way to export Inventor models to Sketchup, but not the other way round, which is a pity.
Kind regards,
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Things are getting even more interesting:
http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaaksk.htm
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@toxicvoxel said:
Things are getting even more interesting:
http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaaksk.htm
.One moonlit, drunken evening, SU and Rhino had a steamy one night stand. Nine months later, Space Claim was born.
When I first saw the Space Claim site, my first thoughts were in regards to rendering......but I guess Bunkspeed will make that a reality. The Frosted Glass look is really amazing.
Would it not be possible for Fredo or one of the other keystroke geniuses to create a modified push pull tool that could achieve similar results.....and who knows what version 7 will bring us? A program like Space Claim would only be beneficial to me if it was, #1 affordable & #2 could be adapted into my SU workflow.....and neither seem possible.
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Since we are into mechanical on this topic,
HERE is the real COMPETITOR !!!
SU should take off some of the advanced features, this software has to offer, okay it's way more expensive but very easy to learn and it gets UP- Dates every Year! Something to rely on if you do 3D modeling seriously.
download the 30 day Demo and see for your self.
I know people who do conceptual architectural design with this one plus it exports to "*.stl".
I saw a guy creating a model for a high rise (stylish contemporary) in his Coffey break, off of a 2d image, later that day I had the printed ABS model on my desk.
*.stl? whats that good for? 3D printing
Sorry this is awkward there is no download for the trial they actually ship a dvd.
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You've gotta be joking Bruell, a competitor to Sketchup?! Easy to learn? - Compared to what, Blender?
In software years Inventor is ancient technology.
Autodesk pricing, support and upgrade policy disqualifies this as a serious option for me personally.[Your'e working for Autodesk right?
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I use Inventor, it's not easier than SketchUp.
Annual updates are fine, but there's no backwards compatibility. There's also the regular bug fixes (sorry service packs). Don't install a new version until the first service pack is out!
I can afford to buy SketchUp, Inventor - no chance!
I can programme Inventor, but for me SketchUp is harder as Ruby is different to VB which I already know (and can use in ACAD, sorry Ruby fans).I'm looking at SpaceClaim as it might be easier than IV (harder than SU?), but more powerful than SU. Only time will tell.
Currently installation date on the M6300, which also has IV2008, is next weekend (the installer is already on there ready to go).
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@unknownuser said:
Currently installation date on the M6300, which also has IV2008, is next weekend (the installer is already on there ready to go).
I'll be watching out for your feedback.
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@toxicvoxel said:
You've gotta be joking Bruell, a competitor to Sketchup?! Easy to learn? - Compared to what, Blender?
In software years Inventor is ancient technology.
Autodesk pricing, support and upgrade policy disqualifies this as a serious option for me personally. use Inventor, it's not easier than SketchUp.Annual updates are fine, but there's no backwards compatibility. There's also the regular bug fixes (sorry service packs). Don't install a new version until the first service pack is out!
[Your'e working for Autodesk right?
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.Let me answer this to you in Google style, at his time in am not in a position to either admit or deny.
It's all very secret
Anyway i don't think SU is backwards compatible either, hardly any cad software is; right?
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Bruell
You misquote me. I made no reference to backward compatibility.
[What more can you expect from somebody working for Autodesk! ]
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I still have rashes from using Autodesk software in the past.(not Inventor though)
My experience with Autodesk is that it drains your wallet, is utterly complex to a very frustrating level.
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@unknownuser said:
My experience with Autodesk is that it drains your wallet, is utterly complex to a very frustrating level.
My experience exactly.
As with Sketchup a few years ago I am now fearful that Autodesk will buy out Spaceclaim.
Not sure if anybody noticed, they recently bought out Ecotect from Square1. When I first read the speculation about the aquisition I wondered if this would not be a very shrewd and long overdue assault by Autodesk on the Sketchup market. (While Ecotect is a powerful building analysis applications it has similar graphic output compared to Sketchup.)- Would they do the unthinkable and make ET a free release? Of course not!
They immediatly increased the pricing from about $500 (if I remember correctly £350 Sterling) to $2,499!
http://www.squ1.com/
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- Would they do the unthinkable and make ET a free release? Of course not!
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@kwistenbiebel said:
I still have rashes from using Autodesk software in the past.(not Inventor though)
My experience with Autodesk is that it drains your wallet, is utterly complex to a very frustrating level.
But maybe things got changed by now?....(Can't help to think it didn't though)My dear kwistenbiebel, I don't think any of the painfulness has yet changed, and that's exactly why i'm here in a SU forum hoping for SU 7.
They did copy the Push-pull though but the Hardware requirements are exorbitant plus they just can't make things simple; They still make you read through a "Phone book" of the size of LA to get a simple answer to an obvious task. Oh it hurts just to think about "IT"
And to make it clear for everyone else, I'd rather pick strawberry's in the hot sun with the Mexicans to make a living, then working for Auto Desk.
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When you get Inventor you get Mechanical Desktop and the ability to display this as plain old AutoCAD. Why??
Well for me, the drawing side of Inventor is a bit lacking and some drawing things I need to do can't be done in Inventor. Crazy as it might sound, on a current project (creating a special dxf file for laser cutting) it's 30% done as a macro in the Inventor drawing, 20% manual work in the Inventor drawing (because these bits can't be automated), the final 50% is by macro in Inventor passing an initial dxf to ACAD where the dxf is finalised and saved by an automatic ACAD macro. Hard work, the only saving grace being that both Inventor and ACAD use VBA for their macro's.
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Spaceclaim installation completed quickly and easily (unlike Inventor)!!
Initial thoughts
Feels SketchUppy.
Slightly easier to move, copy, rotate edges and faces than SU.
Exceedingly quick and smooth (well I am using an M6300).
AutoDesk could really learn something from this for Inventor.
Imports Inventor files but can't export them, have to use IGES or SAT.Worth an enquiry about cost!
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