Pushpull on Steroids

tbd · 1 Sept 2008, 07:02

Coen: it is the correct link. a video should start on the right.

pilou · 1 Sept 2008, 07:50

Realy Showcase video are here

Mike Lucey · 1 Sept 2008, 14:06

Its an interesting program. Probably well worth looking at
AND I don't see why it would not lend itself to Architectural
Design!

One thing that WOULD annoy me is modeling in Axonometric view,
it hurts my sense of working in 3D space!

Still I DO agree that the SU team SHOULD be looking at some of
the features in SpaceClaim.

Mike

PS: Does anyone know the PRICE! Could this be the BLOW OUT
factor for many?

PeterCharles · 1 Sept 2008, 18:43

I've just looked at some of the video's and it looks very, very interesting to me as a mechanical designer! I'm even tempted to apply for the 30 day trial.

But what really annoys me with stuff like this is, "WHERE'S THE PRICE!!!"

juju · 2 Sept 2008, 07:26

1x arm & +1x leg...

PeterCharles · 2 Sept 2008, 10:35

@unknownuser said:

1x arm & +1x leg...
or even BOTH arms and Both legs.

But seriously, after watching all the video's I'm going to apply for a 30 day trial.

toxicvoxel · 2 Sept 2008, 13:09

They now have an LT & LTX version in the high sub $1000 bracket which isn't cheap but compares well with apps such as Rhino and very well with offerings from Autodesk considering what you are getting.
http://www.spaceclaim.com/News-and-Events/Press-Releases/09-January-2008.aspx
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wmanning · 2 Sept 2008, 18:03

I believe the Pro product is a little over $2,000, but when they started it was for an annual lease and was about $1,700/year. Not sure any more.

Founded by Michael Payne, who also founded PTC then SolidWorks. He was then CTO for Dassault (Catia), and prior to this was CEO of Spatial who make the solid modeling engine ACIS. Not a bad track record if I have it right.

Tremendous app for mechanical design, but for architecture though, don't you want more detailing for 2D production drawings?

toxicvoxel · 3 Sept 2008, 07:48

@unknownuser said:

Tremendous app for mechanical design, but for architecture though, don't you want more detailing for 2D production drawings?

At this point I do not think that there is an application that offers the complete package (despite what the software houses tell us). Savvy design-led architects will opt for setting up a customised work flow with a number of applications specialised for various aspects of the design/presentation/documentation work flow, rather than choosing for jack-of-all trades 3D/render/CAD solution that offers strong integration at the expense of flexibility. This is where Sketchup fits in and I think this is also how Spaceclaim is positioning itself as a specialised modelling element alongside other primary design applications. Thinking about it more, there are many situations where working with Sketchup doesn't quite make it (I think of faceted curves and faces that are an approximation and therefore not accurate when working on smaller elements),- where I could do with a secondary modeller that can handle small knuckles and details that are tedious to construct and execute in Sketchup. From this point of view Spaceclaim begins to present a compelling option.
[- But page layout/annotation/dimensioning in Spaceclaim does not look that shabby either!)

But like many I'll wait for 7 and see if bigG has raised the bar...(Did somebody say mid September?)
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remus · 3 Sept 2008, 08:37

Solidworks seems to offer a pretty complete solution.

Saying that i still agree with your point, certainly form the point of efficiency anyway.

PeterCharles · 3 Sept 2008, 11:47

I've applied for the 30 day trial and got an e-mail back saying

@unknownuser said:

Thank you for requesting a trial of SpaceClaim. A SpaceClaim representative will contact you.

That was yesterday so lets see how quick, if at all, they respond as I'm currently working under BST on the east side of the Atlantic!

PeterCharles · 3 Sept 2008, 17:54

Got my instructions by e-mail today and downloaded the installer so that's a good start!

toxicvoxel · 3 Sept 2008, 18:43

PeterCharles
I look forward to your full review at the beginning of October!
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PeterCharles · 3 Sept 2008, 21:09

@toxicvoxel said:

PeterCharles
I look forward to your full review at the beginning of October!
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First, find a suitable PC (probably a Dell M6300).
Second, get approval to install it
Third, actually try it out

So beginning of October is a bit optimistic I think

watkins · 4 Sept 2008, 09:42

Dear Peter,

In the meantime and out of interest, why don't you email SpaceClaim a Sketchup model (as a .skp, a .dwg, a .dxf etc) and ask them to see if they can import it into their modeller. They seem to be able to import models from most mechanical 3D applications (Inventor, SoldWorks, Pro/E etc).

I have found a way to export Inventor models to Sketchup, but not the other way round, which is a pity.

Kind regards,
Bob

toxicvoxel · 5 Sept 2008, 13:59

Things are getting even more interesting:
http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaaksk.htm
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2myChaGrin · 6 Sept 2008, 20:51

@toxicvoxel said:

Things are getting even more interesting:
http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaaksk.htm
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One moonlit, drunken evening, SU and Rhino had a steamy one night stand. Nine months later, Space Claim was born.

When I first saw the Space Claim site, my first thoughts were in regards to rendering......but I guess Bunkspeed will make that a reality. The Frosted Glass look is really amazing.

Would it not be possible for Fredo or one of the other keystroke geniuses to create a modified push pull tool that could achieve similar results.....and who knows what version 7 will bring us? A program like Space Claim would only be beneficial to me if it was, #1 affordable & #2 could be adapted into my SU workflow.....and neither seem possible.

Bruell · 6 Sept 2008, 23:01

Since we are into mechanical on this topic,

HERE is the real COMPETITOR !!!

Autodesk

(download.autodesk.com)

SU should take off some of the advanced features, this software has to offer, okay it's way more expensive but very easy to learn and it gets UP- Dates every Year! Something to rely on if you do 3D modeling seriously.

download the 30 day Demo and see for your self.

I know people who do conceptual architectural design with this one plus it exports to "*.stl".

I saw a guy creating a model for a high rise (stylish contemporary) in his Coffey break, off of a 2d image, later that day I had the printed ABS model on my desk.

*.stl? whats that good for? 3D printing

Sorry this is awkward there is no download for the trial they actually ship a dvd.

toxicvoxel · 7 Sept 2008, 08:54

You've gotta be joking Bruell, a competitor to Sketchup?! Easy to learn? - Compared to what, Blender?
In software years Inventor is ancient technology.
Autodesk pricing, support and upgrade policy disqualifies this as a serious option for me personally.

[Your'e working for Autodesk right? ]
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PeterCharles · 7 Sept 2008, 15:10

I use Inventor, it's not easier than SketchUp.
Annual updates are fine, but there's no backwards compatibility. There's also the regular bug fixes (sorry service packs). Don't install a new version until the first service pack is out!
I can afford to buy SketchUp, Inventor - no chance!
I can programme Inventor, but for me SketchUp is harder as Ruby is different to VB which I already know (and can use in ACAD, sorry Ruby fans).

I'm looking at SpaceClaim as it might be easier than IV (harder than SU?), but more powerful than SU. Only time will tell.

Currently installation date on the M6300, which also has IV2008, is next weekend (the installer is already on there ready to go).