Visual Algorithmic Design for Design Applications (A Rant]
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@-rb- said:
I downloaded the Rhino SR3 pack last night and am running Grasshopper now. Very exciting to experiment using VAD - it just seems so logically set out too. Genuis.
Sorry to veer off topic slightly with generative design but it has been floating my boat as of late.
I'm looking forward to using it, as well...I think the challenge would be to use it for something other than generative design (which often seems just like an excuse for extravagant formalism to me, a kind of technologically-deterministic version of Eisenman's process-based design, and just as empty of meaning ultimately--Peter was one of my teachers and I'm sensitive about the flaws in his methods).
It would be nice to find a Visual Programming Language (VL or VAD...I think VL is a more common abbreviation) that could function as like a true computer language and not just a scripting language...so that you could actually compile it, the way you can with C, or at the very least run it on a virtual machine like Java.
I'm also thinking about buying a copy of Max/MSP/Jitter...imaging is something that interests me almost as much as architecture, and Jitter is better documented than PD or VVVV.
By the way, I was led to understand (Pete/Solo would know more about this) that the next version of Podium for SketchUp would include a noded VL shader designer.
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While I agree that some of the recent design form-finding excursions using various 'process orienated' design techniques are pretty vacuous tech-reinforcement (apart from some of the firms formed by ex-OMA architects) - I'm not quite convinced there is any right or wrong methodology to design, only that there are new schools and old(er) schools, just as philosophy tends to develop, and there is a validity to all of them (whether failed or not). Also for something to be empty of meaning, we have to first decide upon what 'meaning' really consists of and quantify it, and I think that will always be up in the air. I got into generative stuff through Wolfram, evolutionary theory and biomimicry originally, and I think that an understanding of generative systems will ultimately inform the design community on a few beneficial levels at some point. Specifically I'm thinking the use of computational design to assist in the challenges urban housing will face in the next 50 years, and biomimicry to aid in sustainable futures. But I'm only in my early 20's - so who knows, I may become an Eiseman yet.
Sorry off topic just had to add my 2 cents.
Back to VL!
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@-rb- said:
so who knows, I may become an Eiseman yet.
Careful about saying things like that...one day in a seminar I had with the man in grad school he referred to himself as "the Voice of Darkness." I laughed, thinking he was joking, and said something like, "Well, good, I've always been a satanist at heart." He turned to me and said, without blinking, "Wadsworth, if you ever compare yourself to me again I will make personally sure you never have a job in architecture on the planet again."
How's that for an off-topic?
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I always look back fondly at the 'Deconstructionist' VHS I had at school, where he turns and mutters something at Hadid - Hadid looks at him condescendingly, doesn't reply, flicks her hair, and looks the other way
I read his new manifesto and its attack on digital mediums, form finding, and the new generation being 'apathetic' - and was actually quite offended, considering it was his generation that has burdened this one with a whole array of social and planetary concerns. He could at least be constructive with the criticism. But he did design a stadium that looks like a coiled snake recently - so what can I say.
Am enjoying the new humanist approach he is having as he comes to grips with his own mortality (Ouch?)
Just kidding.
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I marvel at how this topic has turned into a name- / techno-dropping nonsense.
Let's see some results of using the tools rather than just talking about it (or any other random unrelated ramble.) -
@toxicvoxel said:
I marvel at how this topic has turned into a name- / techno-dropping nonsense.
Let's see some results of using the tools rather than just talking about it (or any other random unrelated ramble.)You fail to impress or intimidate me, abrasive little man. Go somewhere else if it bothers you. Actually, go find another forum. Your contributions here are insignificant.
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Lewis,
- Significantly, you assumed that my comment was a reference to you.
Apparently you did not learn the basics of a professional response from all the great schools and teachers that you had.
I cannot expect any better from someone who would publicly slur a well respected international architect on a public forum. Does this 'impress' the students that you teach?
I am here, like most of the members of this forum to share in the discussions, information and ideas introduced by more knowledgeable members of this forum. I am sorry if you feel that my minimal contributions fall short of the standards that you set.
The original poster of this topic went to some effort to lay the foundation for what could have been a very interesting and informative topic. It is frustrating when the opportunity to develop the discussion as intended, is quickly undermined and diluted with unrelated issues. It is certainly unacceptable that you feel obliged to resort to insults when I express my objections in this regard. Moreover, it is not for you decide on or pass instruction with regard to participation by anyone on this forum.
- Significantly, you assumed that my comment was a reference to you.
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Lewis, instead of making such an fuss of yourself why don't you rather show us some of the studies you have done with Rhino's explicit history?
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Haha - are you serious?
EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY
It's obvious you are pretty new to internet forums.
May I suggest that you relax - this is a 'community forum'.
Hmmm...Kind of don't want to have a discussion with you now though.
AND I used Max 5 over the weekend too. Too bad.
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Professional response? For you, "toxic", after pronouncing our conversation "techno-dropping nonsense"? Now you claim "professionalism" after interjecting yourself in the thread in such a way? Find your own forum, toxic, one better suited to your alias.
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