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    • J Offline
      Julius
      last edited by

      did you upload this model to the 3d warehouse?

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      • P Offline
        pichuneke
        last edited by

        Right now the model has a lot of mistakes and must be rebuilt in some places, so it is not uploaded. For example the inma and media cavea are bigger than the ruins of the real theatre (my model has a smaller orchestra). And I have to work on some textures.I am waiting for the new museum to be opened, a lot of information will allow me to improve the model a bit more.

        At this moment the skp filesize is 8.5 mb, but the kmz file size is 34,8 mb, so I can't upload it to Google Earth.

        Anyway, you can see the model with the kmz file in my personal Google Earth (beta 4.3) here:

        http://i30.tinypic.com/300426u.jpg

        http://i28.tinypic.com/24l06t0.jpg

        Forgive my spanglish...

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        • P Offline
          pichuneke
          last edited by

          Small update:

          The spanish (I believe latin) name is "Ara". It was found in the excavations.

          You have a render here (the letters are too bright, sorry):

          http://i33.tinypic.com/2hq5t0z.jpg

          And you can rotate the model here:

          http://pichuneke.googlepages.com/AraPaetus5_index.html

          (You know, that plugin to export the views to web).

          Forgive my spanglish...

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          • GaieusG Offline
            Gaieus
            last edited by

            Altar in English. Would be interested what's written on it, though! 😉

            Gai...

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            • P Offline
              pichuneke
              last edited by

              Don't worry, the photos I have are not the best (and they are not mine 😞 ), but I have the text 😉

              Both altars.

              http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9633/dsc0532iq9.jpg

              His brother:

              http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9844/dsc0316ks8.jpg

              And in this spanish forum, you can find a lot of photos of the recently opened museum (including the source of theo ones I have linked here) 😄

              Text:

              C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
              PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
              PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
              [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
              [SAC(rum)]
              [D(onum)].D(edit)

              Dedicated to the children of Agrippa and Julia, the "young princes", to which the theatre was dedicated.

              I think that another altar with the name of his brother is lost. Something like "L Caesaris. Avgvsti...".

              In fact, the Frons pulpiti is resolved with the 3 known altars to Jupiter and... I don't remember (Minerva?). The 3 principal gods, in spanish "triada capitolina", the 2 altars you have seen now, and another 2 similar altars. I haven't linked photos to the 3 altars to Jupiter and company.

              The other altar:

              L(ucius) IUNIUS L(ucii) F(ilius) T(iti) N(epos)
              PAETUS
              FORTUNAE SAC(rum) D(onum) D(edit)

              Forgive my spanglish...

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              • P Offline
                pichuneke
                last edited by

                A new Render:

                http://i36.tinypic.com/of80vp.jpg

                The bronze texture is not definitive, I don't like it, there is a pattern. In fact I must ask you about the window. I knew I wanted to do that window, but... Which material? Bronze? Wood? Marble? Iron?

                I don't know... Your help or your opinion about roman windows will be very appreciated 😆 😆 😆

                Forgive my spanglish...

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                • GaieusG Offline
                  Gaieus
                  last edited by

                  "C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
                  PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
                  PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
                  [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
                  [SAC(rum)]
                  [D(onum)].D(edit)"

                  I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! 😄 😄 😄

                  Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).

                  I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.

                  Gai...

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                  • P Offline
                    pichuneke
                    last edited by

                    @gaieus said:

                    "C(aii) CAESARIS. AVGVSTI.F(ilii)
                    PONTIF(icis).CO(n)S(ulis).DESIG(nati)
                    PRINCIPIS.IVVENTVTIS
                    [L(ucius).IVNIVS.L(ucii).F(ilius).T(iti) N(epos). PAETVS.
                    [SAC(rum)]
                    [D(onum)].D(edit)"

                    I have the weird feeling that these words should be in dativus instead of ablativus but I know those Hispanic were weirdos those days as well! 😄 😄 😄

                    Anyway, I like the bronze railing of the window. It could be wood or iron as well but definitely not marble IMO (just because it would be harder to make).

                    I would, however make some structure (maybe a segment arch) above the window to support the wall above it.

                    My latin was always limited (one year when I was 16) and is a bit... rusty 😄 . Rosa rosae. Ave Caesar morituri te salutant = Las Aves del Cesar mueren por falta de salud (The birds of Cesar are dying because of a lack of health) 💚 💚

                    Respect the arch... I had the same idea, that is exactly one of the things I have to do in a future with that window. But it depends of the future ornaments around the window. I don't think that the original theatre was like that. There were marbles and that stuff... you know.

                    Forgive my spanglish...

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                    • GaieusG Offline
                      Gaieus
                      last edited by

                      Yes, definitely such a structural element may have been covered by marble slabs (as usual in Roman architecture).

                      Gai...

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                      • P Offline
                        pichuneke
                        last edited by

                        ^^ In some pdfs I have read that there were marble slabs (today I learned a new word 😄 ), cipollino and others. I am wondering (apart from The Panteon) what other examples of roman walls with marble can be usefull for me... I am looking for inspiration.

                        Forgive my spanglish...

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                        • GaieusG Offline
                          Gaieus
                          last edited by

                          See some decorative coverings (both floor and walls) in the basilica in Piazza Armerina (English version here).

                          Unfortunately not too big images but for some inspiration they're fine 😄

                          Gai...

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
                            last edited by

                            Great photos, thanks! And the museum seems to be a really nice building too.

                            The whole area is really rich in Roman finds I see (or place here was just a "remote, barbarian, military" province 😄 )

                            Gai...

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                              pichuneke
                              last edited by

                              Thanks... but I was asking for walls... and in the photos I only saw floors. I know that it's very difficult to find anything appart from The Panteon.

                              On the other hand is an advantage, as anybody can tell me that my work is not ok 💚

                              I thank you a lot Gaieus. I believe you are really interested in the theatre.

                              Ah... and I believe that I didn't link the pages with a lot of photos of the new Museum, you have them here:

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                              (www.skyscrapercity.com)

                              (See following pages).

                              And photos of the bull ring that is being dismantled partially because it is placed over the amphitheatre. I believe that a new excavation is going to start there:

                              Link Preview Image
                              Oops! We ran into some problems.

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                              SkyscraperCity Forum (www.skyscrapercity.com)

                              And finally the excavations on the "Molinete" (Little wind mill) hill. At the top of that hill, Amilcar, father of Anibal, had its palace. But the ruins that are being excavated now are roman.

                              Link Preview Image
                              Oops! We ran into some problems.

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                              SkyscraperCity Forum (www.skyscrapercity.com)

                              Forgive my spanglish...

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                              • P Offline
                                pichuneke
                                last edited by

                                New Renders with Kerkythea:

                                http://i36.tinypic.com/ra14ci.jpg

                                http://i38.tinypic.com/eb2atl.jpg

                                Forgive my spanglish...

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