In memoriam
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To our french friends here on at the forum: you should know that our thoughts are with you.
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There'll be more terrorist strikes, sadly. And there'll be more animosity towards muslims, and refugees, too. The European right is going to have a field day.
Europe needs to clean this mess up. Which means: military action in Syria and Iraq -bombings, boots on the ground, the lot. We need to act swiftly and ruthlessly. (Don't get me wrong, I'd much prefer peace -but I don't believe in turning the other cheek.)
That being said, violence won't solve anything in the long run. Syria, Iraq ... will have to be rebuilt, in more than one way. That'll cost time, money and patience. It is possible, though. Think of post-war Japan, and Germany.
And then there's the situation in Western Europe itself. We have to ask ourselves why so many youths of a muslim background turn to radicalism. Why is there so much unemployment amongst the ranks of young muslims? Why are so little of them getting a degree? And why is it we seem to be getting used to mutual racism and hatred?
Also, the Israeli-Palestinian thing needs to be sorted. There'll be no peace in the Middle-East as long as that sore keeps festering. If need be, we'll have to twist some arms, here and there.
There's something seriously wrong, and we need to fix it. We can fix it.
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@stinkie said:
If need be, we'll have to twist some arms, here and there.
You mean like this https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/B23E0762A61177286026620809216_3035c05cf80.1.5.8175564427571340698.mp4?versionId=HsegzhG2LMV8T9WLgyDH_0Z9mIBFkaVI
The murders in Paris was of course tragedy for innocent people who has nothing to do with the scenario behind it, but it was and will be much bigger tragedy for 1000s of innocent people from "terrorist countries" when NATO "twist their arms". But it seems that they are not people for "civilized world". What a hypocrisy. All the people are made equal, aren't they? It is the same as the famous German rule in WW2: 100 innocent civilian Serbs killed for 1 German solder. "The war against terror" is just an excuse for doing terror. Good people, do not be fooled. Let the devil do it's job without your applause...
If you want to "fix" something, don't do it by bombing some far away country you know nothing about. Begin with what is closer to you - with your own mind for a start. One simple thing is enough - do you think that people all over the World have right to live? And to live their own way? Or you think you are so special and far more superior so they have to live your way? Sounds familiar?
Looking at the numbers this is the real terror-"The USA has terrorised all these countries since WW2, killing over 30 million civilians in the process:
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@srx said:
Or you think you are so special and far more superior so they have to live your way?
Are you f*cking kidding me?
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Has anyone read the ISIS document they posted when taking responsibility for what happened in paris?
In a nutshell what they are saying is they are counting on the reaction to these terror attacks to incite the bigots into a knee jerk reaction, they are intending for us to turn against all muslims which in essence will just make it even worse. Now is not a time to be divided, it is a time to be united.
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@solo
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Thanks!
Dramatic!
Bis repetita - whishing that will not more ones... -
@solo said:
"(...) they are intending for us to turn against all muslims which in essence will just make it even worse.
Yeah ... that's part of their 'end of days' ideology.
I'm hoping this thing won't make the EU even less forthcoming with regards to helping out refugees.
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@srx said:
...The USA has terrorised all these countries since WW2, killing over 30 million civilians in the process:
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Ukraine 2013 onwards."So it was Obama's plot to Anschluss the Crimea, set the hybrid war in the eastern Ukraine and hit the dutch boeing . I see..
Wow srx, you are clinical case. Are posting it for free? -
I have only this to say:
“Because it’s totally un – Islamic”
“Because you abuse hearts and minds”
“Because you have no compassion” -
It IS totally islamic
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@srx said:
@rv1974 said:
@srx said:
...The USA has terrorised all these countries since WW2, killing over 30 million civilians in the process:
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Ukraine 2013 onwards."So it was Obama's plot to Anschluss the Crimea, set the hybrid war in the eastern Ukraine and hit the dutch boeing . I see..
Wow srx, you are clinical case. Are posting it for free?Than there is more clinical cases in the World than you doctors! I guess they are afraid to say it here because of the public opinion on their mental health status.. It was not Obama's plot. How it could be? He is a peace Nobel prize winner!
Don't you see he is just another bad actor in the role of the President? It is so obvious...Maybe Terminator would be better...But, do you really think that killing all these people all around the World in the name of "democracy" was the right thing to do? I know it was not the act of people, but their rulers , but people also had something from it. American dream...French dream, UK dream. They were based on many innocent dead in those countries. NATO based dream. People were bought with fancy stuff. Look at the Libya alone. People lived nicely there, better than in the west, but they had resources you needed to boost western economy. So you destroyed them. It is a known fact. And produced pain and suffering you do not care about! Killing and torturing their ruler was nice TV show for you (at least Hilary). And that is the root of this evil. It returns like boomerang ...So, I agree with Solo. Do not act like they want you too, like angry mob. It will only make things worst. Fighting terrorism was never against any religion, or sovereign countries (Syria in present). There is no such thing as terrorist country. Ordinary people of every nation just wants to live normal life, like you do. If you really want to fight ISIS help Syria people do that, but not before asking them to! Don't you think it is fair thing to do? Even if you don't, it is written in UN documents...
The other thing is who created Frankestein monster called ISIS, and how are they so organized to pass trough Europe security systems? I hope there will be some investigating on this.
...Maybe you didn't know, but people from Crime voted 96% for joining Russia! It was expected because they were part of Russia for much longer time than not. It is the same people detached by wrong politics in Soviet era.
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And ZOG! How could you forget them, tovarish srx
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@rv1974 said:
And ZOG! How could you forget them, tovarish srx
I presented the facts. You are mentioning conspiracy theory. It is meant to always do that when you can not face the facts. It is what the term was made for in the first place. Crazy conspiracy theory paranoid is the universal answer to all problem questions. Easy to accept. "Crazy paranoid tovarish" I think you spent all the Hollywood terms...
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@srx said:
I presented the facts.
Yeah?
@srx said:
So you destroyed them. It is a known fact. And produced pain and suffering you do not care about! Killing and torturing their ruler was nice TV show for you (...)
Odd. I cannot remember 'destroying' anyone. Nor do I recall enjoying torture porn. You're pointing the finger at us, civilians. I find that utterly insulting. I don't hold you personally responsible for the Sarajevo siege, now do I? So, please, knock it off.
Moving on ...
This is bad:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/16/us-states-block-syrian-refugees-michigan
And then there's this. "Percentage of positive tweets on IS". Belgium (oh, glorious Fatherland!) is ranked third. Yikes!
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@stinkie said:
Odd. I cannot remember 'destroying' anyone.
It is not a secret, nor a conspiracy theory - http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740
...I did not mean to insult anybody (I did not called you crazy paranoid). I just wont to inform you from a different angle. That's what's good in internet.Regarding Sarajevo, don't mention something you now nothing about. I was young then, but I remember many refugees coming from Bosnia to Serbian (it was never the other way). It was a civil war between Serbs of different religions, where EU and USA promoted war, involving from the beginning (using evil from the both sides, arming and paying) helping muslims banish orthodox Serbs (once multicultural Sarajevo is now muslim only) and making Bosnia its protectorate on which territory there are training camps for "islamic" terrorists fighting with ISIS. I would not be surprised if some of them played role in the recent attacks. The similar story goes to middle east and ISIS, or Libya in a way. It is good to know.
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@srx said:
I just wont to inform you from a different angle.
You're informing me by bluntly implying I (and others in the so-called West) am indifferent to other people's suffering? How about an effing apology instead of more haughty lecturing?
@srx said:
Regarding Sarajevo, don't mention something you now nothing about.
My. I assumed it was glaringly obvious why I mentioned Sarajevo.
I'm done with this.
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@stinkie said:
And then there's this. "Percentage of positive tweets on IS". Belgium (oh, glorious Fatherland!) is ranked third. Yikes!
Are you serious? Did you ever hear about proxy servers or twitter-bots? And do you think, your government does not support the current narrative?
This really proves nothing and can easily be set up if you have the resources and connections.I'm logged in via an US-vpn/proxy today...
And concerning Paris i can only say:
#JeSuisManipulé Part 2
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@stinkie said:
You're informing me by bluntly implying I (and others in the so-called West) am indifferent to other people's suffering? How about an effing apology instead of more haughty lecturing?
It was because you called for "twisting some arms" repeating your President's words. It sound scary to me, so I had to react! I wanted to point out what does it mean in practice.
This is the voice of "conspiracy paranoid tovarish" which is now the voice of majority of the people of the World spoken in public. So thank him for that. In this speech you will find out what is the root of tragic events in Paris. It is good to know, even if you are just a civilian minding it's own business...
https://youtu.be/q13yzl6k6w0?t=6m12s
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