Changes in 2015

Dan Rathbun

I still try to support SU 6 and 7...

I don't.

Too many unfixed bugs, and they distro'd with Ruby 1.8.0 initial release, which is like 20 years old. (I wouldn't help anyone with 7 unless they'd replaced the Ruby DLL with a newer one, as I explained how to do in the "Ruby Resources" topic.)

Next year I'd say I will drop support for v8 and v2013, and be done with the old headaches that Ruby 1.8.x has, such as no unicode string support, etc.

Brighter3D

Maybe you are right...
For people doing renderings 2015 is first professional version (thanks to 64bit and possibility to use whole memory).
From the other side v8 is last true free version (according to the license)...

Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

Dan Rathbun

@brighter3d said:

Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

I've never heard Google or Trimble release any official numbers.

Some plugin authors have collected data on what versions are running their plugin(s) but it's not global.

Perhaps the SCF Plugin Store has data ?

thomthom

@brighter3d said:

Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

SU6 and SU7 is very low. I wouldn't be too worried about trying to keep support for these versions in new releases. It's like trying to make a website for IE6 and 7 these days...

There are some users still on SU8 - though it appear SU2013 users migrate faster. Not sure why that is. Maybe it's the Google => Trimble thing...

Personally I don't aim to support anything older than SU2014 any more - due to Ruby 2.0, standard lib and SU2014+ improvements. If my new releases will work on older it will be cause I didn't need to use the stdlib or any of the new SU2014+ features.

kaas

@driven said:

I ran a variation of your script in v13 and v15 on my mac...

t = Time.now
> f = Sketchup.find_support_file('candle.skp', 'Components')
> d = Sketchup.active_model.definitions.load f
> puts (Time.now - t) 
> #  all in different sessions of SU
> # v13 => 0.146086 , 0.037117, 0.022029
> # v15 => 0.033036, 0.046043,  0.013811

john

Thanks for looking into it. I tried your code on win32 and it loads the skp instantly. Great...but, plugins aren't installed in a sub-directory of the SketchUp installation directory anymore. Isn't it bad practice to put resources for a plugin in SketchUps installation directory instead of together with the code in the plugin directory?

tt_su

DefinitionList.load Performance Tests:

Test snippet:

<span class="syntaxdefault">skp </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">find_support_file</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">'Car Sedan.skp'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">,</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> </span><span class="syntaxstring">'Components/Components Sampler'</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"DefinitionList.load Timing Tests"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> SketchUp Version; #{Sketchup.version}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">total </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> 0.0<br />iterations </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> 10<br />iterations</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">times </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">{</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|</span><span class="syntaxdefault">i</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">|<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  GC</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">start<br />  start_time </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Time</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">now<br />  definition </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">definitions</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">load</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxdefault">skp</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  elapsed </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> Time</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">now </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">-</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> start_time<br />  total </span><span class="syntaxkeyword">+=</span><span class="syntaxdefault"> elapsed<br />  puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> #{elapsed}; #{elapsed}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">start_operation</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">(</span><span class="syntaxstring">"Remove Definition"</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">)<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  definition</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">entities</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">clear</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">!<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">  Sketchup</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">active_model</span><span class="syntaxkeyword">.</span><span class="syntaxdefault">commit_operation<br /></span><span class="syntaxkeyword">}<br /></span><span class="syntaxdefault">puts </span><span class="syntaxstring">"> Average; #{total / iterations.to_f}"<br /></span><span class="syntaxcomment"># require File.join(ENV['HOME'] || ENV['HOMEPATH'], 'Desktop', 'definition_list_load_test.rb')<br />&nbsp;</span><span class="syntaxdefault"></span>

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> 0.023006; 0.023006
> 0.037007; 0.037007
> 0.036002; 0.036002
> 0.034998; 0.034998
> 0.035001; 0.035001
> 0.035001; 0.035001
> 0.036999; 0.036999
> 0.035999; 0.035999
> 0.035002; 0.035002
> 0.035997; 0.035997
> Average; 0.034501199999999996

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> 0.033001; 0.033001
> 0.034001; 0.034001
> 0.032002; 0.032002
> 0.034003; 0.034003
> 0.032001; 0.032001
> 0.033003; 0.033003
> 0.032002; 0.032002
> 0.031001; 0.031001
> 0.030007; 0.030007
> 0.032006; 0.032006
> Average; 0.032302700000000004

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 13.0.4812
> 0.038; 0.038
> 0.033; 0.033
> 0.033; 0.033
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> 0.03; 0.03
> Average; 0.0314

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 8.0.16846
> 0.054; 0.054
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.045; 0.045
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.04; 0.04
> 0.041; 0.041
> 0.04; 0.04
> Average; 0.042

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 7.1.6860
> 0.035; 0.035
> 0.048; 0.048
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.042; 0.042
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.046; 0.046
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.043; 0.043
> 0.042; 0.042
> 0.043; 0.043
> Average; 0.0428

I'm not seeing any performance regression - looks rather consistent on this end.. I'm not sure why you are seeing a difference on your system.

jiminy-billy-bob

@brighter3d said:

Maybe you are right...
For people doing renderings 2015 is first professional version (thanks to 64bit and possibility to use whole memory).
From the other side v8 is last true free version (according to the license)...

Do you know any recent statistics on SU versions usage?

I have some data : http://thomashauchecorne.com/layers/analytics.php
But it's only about Layers Panel users (around 500 unique daily users)

kaas

@tt_su said:

I'm not seeing any performance regression - looks rather consistent on this end.. I'm not sure why you are seeing a difference on your system.

Hi Thom, thanks for taking time to look at my code-problem.

I don't see big differences as well if I load components from the SketchUp Components sub-folder (see my post, two posts above your post).

Have you tried my original code (loading from root of C OR loading from the Sketchup plugins folder) and looked at the differences?

I tested your code and here are the results:

SketchUp Version: 15.0.9350
0.06: 0.06
0.04: 0.04
0.05: 0.05
0.04: 0.04
0.040001: 0.040001
0.04: 0.04
0.05: 0.05
0.04: 0.04
0.04: 0.04
0.04: 0.04
Average: 0.0440001

SketchUp Version: 14.1.1282
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
0.02: 0.02
Average: 0.019999999999999997

tt_su

I still don't see any difference. Do you have a sample model to share?

Dan Rathbun

If a component has a classification assigned, the entire schema could be serialized into the skp file.

Upon loading the schema is loaded into the active model, correct TT ?

tt_su

Yup!

tt_su

Well, actually, I'm not sure what SU does when you import... Need to check that. But it could be that we load the schema.

kaas

@tt_su said:

I still don't see any difference. Do you have a sample model to share?

I just did some tests with all kinds of code and you might be right it's my component files that are causing the problem. This one (see attachment) for instance takes 0.93 seconds to load in V15 while in V14 it takes 0.36

I'm puzzled...

edit:

the file in the attachment is 70kB in size. If I re-create it from scratch the file is 11Kb in size. Maybe there's something hidden/attributes that isn't purged using TIG's purge?

bed2p.skp

tt_su

Ok - now I can reproduce this:


DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p.skp
> 0.623036
> 0.566034
> 0.561033
> 0.560033
> 0.566032
> 0.565037
> 0.569028
> 0.567033
> 0.558033
> 0.597035
> Average; 0.5732334000000001


DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p.skp
> 1.236068
> 1.278074
> 1.295075
> 1.286072
> 1.284073
> 1.28907
> 1.289079
> 1.281074
> 1.275078
> 1.276078
> Average; 1.2789741000000001

I'll forward this to the team. It looks to be related to the classifier system as after I removed the IFC schema and saved a new file:


DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 14.1.1282
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p2.skp
> 0.008995
> 0.006996
> 0.008
> 0.008001
> 0.008006
> 0.008997
> 0.008996
> 0.007997
> 0.009
> 0.008001
> Average; 0.0082989


DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9350
> File; C;/Users/Thomas/Desktop/bed2p2.skp
> 0.008005
> 0.005998
> 0.008
> 0.007
> 0.008005
> 0.006996
> 0.006
> 0.007
> 0.006
> 0.007
> Average; 0.007000400000000001

The profiler will tell us exactly what it is. Thanks for the report.

driven

I saved it as a componant and ...

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9349
> 0.033619; 0.033619
> 0.003637; 0.003637
> 0.003768; 0.003768
> 0.004126; 0.004126
> 0.003228; 0.003228
> 0.003331; 0.003331
> 0.003248; 0.003248
> 0.003292; 0.003292
> 0.003231; 0.003231
> 0.003322; 0.003322
> Average; 0.006480200000000001

prior to that I got

DefinitionList.load Timing Tests
> SketchUp Version; 15.0.9349
> 1.569674; 1.569674
> 1.604715; 1.604715
> 1.554494; 1.554494
> 1.546019; 1.546019
> 1.591651; 1.591651
> 1.560916; 1.560916
> 1.561827; 1.561827
> 1.580865; 1.580865
> 1.577112; 1.577112
> 1.575873; 1.575873
> Average; 1.5723146

john