Is this guy serious?!
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@box said:
but look at the not so distant situation of the, shall we say, strong minded religious person, who posted a lot. Did it benefit the forum, did it help change government policy or did it just make members of a normal forum question whether they wanted to answer another's problem.
ugh.. yeah..
i guess it's up to the individual as to wether or not they'd like to respond to a topic but after your reminder, i think i'll opt out of going much further with this one
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What's the fun in that? we cannot discuss/debate/rant about the 3G's (God, guns and government)?
It's not about changing minds as that will never happen, it's all about venting, think of it as mental therapy, I do.
Friday night, got a pack of beer, all machines are humming away rendering an animation, throw in a controversial topic....what can go wrong? (sarcasm is wasted in pixels)
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So if I say I think the entire U.S. should be walled in and flooded like a swimming pool it's ok.
I'm sure some people from the fisheries department might have something to say.
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@box said:
So if I say I think the entire U.S. should be walled in and flooded like a swimming pool it's ok.
I'm sure some people from the fisheries department might have something to say.
It would be your opinion and I may or may not disagree, I may think of you as a lunatic and maybe even say you are...wait I certainly will. But then I'd kinda agree by bringing up our terrible record of environmental concern which will probably lead to global climate change, rising of ocean levels causing floods and we are back to the US being flooded.
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@ccbiggs said:
I added a little more to my previous post.
"You still never answered why the need for assault rifles and armor piercing rounds, or is it to stage a coup as you hint towards?"
There is no hint about it, they start going door to door trying to take guns. They will have to kill me and my entire family more than half the state of PA and a lot of people all over the rest of the country to do it.
I have worked hard my whole life for everything I have. I am responsible and will be damned if they are going to take any of my guns of any make or model.What can I say..........but I am so glad to live where I do. I wonder if the families of those children worked hard all there lives for what they have? or sadly.....had.
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A perfectly balanced argument, the only question left is which one of us is balanced.
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@box said:
A perfectly balanced argument, the only question left is which one of us is balanced.
I'm the one drinking beer...no fair.
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Ah.... now there in lies the rub......my whisky is more manly than your beer!
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@box said:
Ah.... now there in lies the rub......my whisky is more manly than your beer!
No, you just got more money than me.
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@box said:
A perfectly balanced argument, the only question left is which one of us is balanced.
[/quote]Maybe only half fill America......
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Interesting that the subject came up about the government coming to take guns. I have to lay out the poorly thought out logic of that idea. I also must question why so many of these arguments in favor of the status quo are never examined in depth by the people who use them? It's almost always a "tough guy" attitude or simply a resistance to change that seems to be the base for the position. Easily toppled, but all too quickly replaced with the next piece of dogma from the extreme gun supporter belief system.
But to the point - If the government comes for your guns, it's too late. In all senses of the use of the word. The individual, and all like believers, have lost. If you elect to fight (the tough-guy cold dead hands argument), you will lose. You CANNOT win against the government. All you will have done is shot your fellow citizens who are the soldiers or law enforcement officers sent to take the guns.
Congratulations, you are the next mass killer.
You have killed fathers, brothers, sons, and maybe even wives and mothers along the way.
APC rounds also serve only one purpose - penetrate metal or body armor and kill the human behind it. Completely unnecessary. If you also believe in some sort of uprising against the government, well... That means civil war. And the government is the least of your worries at that point because it means everything has collapsed. You'll be lucky to have food, water, medicine, fuel or power as those will have disappeared with the supply lines destroyed by war. You say you have guns to take/defend what you need? So does every other starving fool out there. You'll shoot them? Guess what, see the statement about killing fathers and sons. They shoot back, too. In that situation there is no loyalty to fellow gun owners. Again, you lose.
I can hear the Second Amendment argument bubbling up already, but let me add to my previous post about the subject. When the Second Amendment was written, this country was incredibly rural. The nearest assistance to help repel attacks might have been days or even weeks away. There was no standing military to help you if you were in an out of the way area. Our new country was also perpetually under threat of attack from the English, Spanish, and native population. Therefore it behooved our citizenry to be armed and possibly belong to a militia to protect themselves, their families and property from what may come.
Those days are gone. Times change. The world changes. To insist otherwise is foolish.
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@kmead said:
I guess our cohort who suggests that a man of firmness and virtue (I wonder if a woman could possibly be such an individual?) didn't take the time to watch the videos of the college students attempting to do just that and failing miserably. A few of them appeared to be of real firmness and virtue. Even the young lady who acquitted herself remarkably well failed to really have an effect on the situation.
I grew up in a very rural place in northern New England and used to hunt for food. When I was a hunter, the fish and game department rules for semi automatic weapons were that they could not have more then five rounds in the clip (or have a clip that held more than 5 rounds). I never needed more than two. Why anyone would argue they need a twenty/thirty etc round clip for any weapon used for hunting is beyond my understanding. If you can't take it down in under five you need to spend a lot more time at the range.
Sadly in this case no amount of gun control legislation would have solved the problem of keeping this individual from getting a weapon: he had no record of any kind to keep him from successfully getting any weapon he desired. Had he been properly treated for his mental illness he would have been much less likely to have felt the need to perform this heinous act and his mother would have known she had to keep those guns locked up, as all guns should be, away from the mentally infirm. Appropriate treatment would also have generated a record/paper trail that would show up in a proper background check keeping him from easily getting such a weapon.
Ultimately we will try and treat the effect and not the causes of this and all those other tragedies. Gun control is one of the answers, as in not having military grade killing tools all over (AK47 M16 etc related weapons).
Taking proper care of the mentally ill which requires not only a change in the care, but a change in the social attitude about such care, so those who need it will receive it, is a critical action on a national and state level to solve. This is not only a legislative change but a social engineering change so people who are clearly not normal or "right" need to be assisted by their families and the communities they live in, not leaving them to molder in homes or their apartments to descend into a madness the rest of us cannot understand or control.
Ok, yes of course females too. I have no problem taking away asault rifles. But with proper training and qualification we as a society must protect ourselves by the time the cops get there all they can do is clean up the mess. Sorry but that's the truth and we can't unmake guns. Have a super sparkly day.
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@unknownuser said:
lol.
Several thoughts:
*Hind sight gives you 20/20 vision;
*Lots of folks commenting on issues but have no back ground;
*Mental illness diagnoses is not a science but art.They have this big dictionary and if they can manage to find behavior in that related to a particular case then that is what you have. Case in point: They said son of friend had ADD but then x ray testing proved other wise. Of course then help for them from social services was terminated.
*My first hand experience: Because of concern about a person I went to the sheriff but after a lots of arm waving I finally came to the conclusion they had no interest in helping but only finding someone to blame. Luckily nothing has happen to date.
*Families must be the first line of defense. The have the day to day interaction and will know and will act if given the tools and support. All others have too many rice bowls to protect.
*Issue with what some call assault rifles ,but don't know what they are, can be solved by out law-ing any rifle which uses the gas generated form its discharge of extracting or loading round. IE only bolt actions allowed. I question limits on mags helping much. In my younger days hunting with single action 20 GA and flushing two pheasants at once the chances of getting both were good.- Products from Hollywood must be cleaned up. I have herad reports they donate more than the NRA to congress to protect their rice bowls. I am surprise someone has not used a bow yet because of the Hunger Games.The bow I used to shoot Carp in Lake Erie would put arrow through a bucket of sand. Question if what is being called assault rifle would do that.
- I wonder where the mourning and sorrow is from us for all our southern neighbors killed by the action of your government via Fast and Furious. Of course are government are now the same ones with blood on their hands pushing for control of guns. What hypocrisy is that and shame on all of us for not demanding we let our neighbors know our sorrow.
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@mac1 said:
@unknownuser said:
lol.
"Issue with what some call assault rifles ,but don't know what they are, can be solved by out law-ing any rifle which uses the gas generated form its discharge of extracting or loading round. IE only bolt actions allowed. I question limits on mags helping much. In my younger days hunting with single action 20 GA and flushing two pheasants at once the chances of getting both were good."
Just for the sake of accuracy gas/piston weapons are not the only type of 'self loading' rifles there are others, such as recoil actions. 'Self loading' is the genre that would or should be banned. Just a detail though. Agreed though(self loading weapons) should be banned. Banning gun ownership based on mental fitness would be ineffective, and a legislative nightmare with only a marginal effect if any.
Oh and I thinkTom DC was laughing at the irony that the guy who wrote the brilliant "I suggest putting a teacher in every gun store"
another 'Jeff Johnston' is the Managing Editor of American Hunter and another 'Jeff Johnson' was the perp' of the sept shootings in 2012 at the empire state building.
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Actually, it was the Pixies reference that made me laugh.
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
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@unknownuser said:Actually, it was the Pixies reference that made me laugh.
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
Jefrey with one F, Jefrey
Jefrey with one F, Jefreyhaha.. i'm glad someone picked up on it
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