_1_People Have The Power_1_
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Box, yes it is about true Democracy ,._)))
honoluludesktop,
Demonstrations contribute everything to their goals for if they are successfully repeated they will force the Government to take action on behalf of their proposals. The Government will have to Resign and open the new time for Elections to write the new LAW.
They claimed for the first Demonstration on 15 of May. As the result of the success spontaneusly there were demonstrations during the whole week. Then came the elections and right wing won. It is hard to say if they helped them to win. It was expected in any case because of the bad actions of the left wing in power.
But the goals keep the same after the elections. There have not been yet more demonstrations but they are sure to come soon. Then the revolution will be tested.
I think 60% voting of total census is a low percentage, though here in Spain is the average until now.cheers
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Regarding voter turnout, I noticed when coming to the USA that voter turnout in general was very low in major elections and dismal for local and state elections. I guess the reason is stability, As in America we have a two party system and they are pretty much same in everything except a few social issues that divide them. So voting is no big deal as nothing in your day to day life will change regardless of who gets elected. The youth are disinterested in politics and mainstream media only really has a Sunday morning dedicated to the rhetoric (sure cable is 24/7 politics).
On the other hand in emerging countries and countries with delicate democracies (trying to be PC) a major election can change the country like day and night, so there is invested interest and concerns which is why the turnout is greater as the results do hold real effects and changes for the average person. -
If the demonstrations did not affect the election, how will they force the government to change? What did the demonstration accomplish? In this case, is change by "force" appropriate? If the government resigned, who would write the law?
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HOW I MISSED THIS!?
Nothing in media.
:sunny:Bravo Spain! You are still alive!
How can I help?I was the part of something similar when I was a student. Protests against Milosevic fraud on elections. We were all happy waiting for positive changes. BUT...what happened was that Troyan horse was brought in, some people were bought, some completely new appeared, and in the end Serbia was in the hands of money makers. Now we are knocked down. Media is devils creations. The Truth is never on TV.
...so be careful Spain. Guess you are far advanced today already asking for the crucial. You are fighting the right enemy. -
Just now :
Police attack in Barcelona, see video :
YouTube - Indignats | Desallotjament de la Plaça Catalunya
The main reason for it has been that the Football team Barcelona if winning the Champions in Wembley next saturday they want the square to be opened for their fans. Just incredible and indignant. It is going to be very difficult to stay in calm but lets see coming events. I guess there will be Demonstrations against police´s attack today or tomorrow.solo, you say : ### On the other hand in emerging countries and countries with delicate democracies (trying to be PC) a major election can change the country like day and night,..###
Yes, that is what we expect.honoluludesktop,
as i said in my last post Demonstrations look forward to change the LAW by making the Resign of the Government and by opening at the same time, the present Government, new elections between the actual Parties and the news to be created with the only purpose of discussing and redacting the new Constitution.
The change by force, by popular and non_violent force, is a must when needed, dont you agree ?cheers
update: police has retired. This afternoon is planned to come to the squares all over the Country holding %(#0040BF)[FLOWERS
NOW, THAT IS NICE EH ?]
this is the one and only main link for being informed :
http://madrid.tomalaplaza.net/2011/05/26/acampada-sol-consensua-cuatro-lineas-de-debate/
I quote the recent agreements :ACAMPADA SOL REACHES A CONSENSUS ON FOUR DEBATE AREAS
The General Assembly of Acampada Sol, gathered since eight o’clock of the evening in Puerta del
Sol, on the 25th of May of 2011, has reached a general agreement to carry out a debate regarding
the following four areas:1/ The electoral reform aimed at a more representative democracy and of real proportionality, with
the additional objective of developing effective mechanisms for citizen participation.2/ The fight against corruption via regulations aimed at total political transparency.
3/ The effective separation of public authorities.
4/ The creation of citizen control mechanisms to effectively demand political responsibility.
It consists of four points that have been agreed upon, that will be debated by all the corresponding
work groups and that will be ratified in the General Assembly which will take place next Friday 27th of
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srx, you say : ### You are fighting the right enemy.###
Yes we believe so.
Thank_you for your comments and good desires
I put links so you can follow and help as well to get it known in your Country. Come on, we are going to get it. This is a common fight for all of us that we are going to win.
Cheers
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see below the people Demonstration this afternoon in BARCELONA after the police strike this morning
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I think this clip is going to start something in EUROPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DskfLNJh_C4Solidarity from USA Wisconsin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jnOXhDF6c&feature=youtu.be -
Hi Juan. Bravo for you people! Still not a word in media here...Dead sea. ..but I am taled everyone
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I would really like to help more but I'm already in the prison of over working for bare life of my family, not having time for anything else, just like the rest of Serbia.
Wish I was sill student.
By the way, when I try to conect I get this I get this@unknownuser said:
This Connection is Untrusted
You have asked Firefox to connect
securely to n-1.cc, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure.
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Hi**srx**thanks for your support
I guess you are getting difficulties to access it because /n-1.cc/ belongs somehow to : http://lorea.org/index.html.en which is a SOCIAL NETWORKS ON AN EXPERIMENTAL FIELD LAND. But do not worry, that page I gave it is still under construction and mainly in spanish. Soon it will be available in every language and in every Country, I hope.
As for your help now, it is more than enough that you agree with the movement and spread the news, help is mainly in the heart, no ?
thanks again Cheers
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19th of June :
Madrid :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwwPDsmGqXo&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o6Oefl0Yso&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albsCH2SiKA&feature=player_embedded
This was in Murcia :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCGlQYYoU3w&feature=player_embedded#at=13
And this in Barcelona subways ,._)) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRvu65Set00&feature=youtu.be
Politicians are not hearing. Movement grows. Walking Marchs towards Madrid from Barcelona, Cadiz, Valencia...up to 21 cities, starts today.
http://marchapopularindignada.wordpress.com/ -
JUNE 13
Yesterday**Puerta del Sol**was voluntarily cleared.
At night :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYlVMV5xEE&feature=player_embedded
Then all marched through :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoRnooWIGnk
Assamblies will keep there in SOL SQUARE
meanwhile all goes on in neighbourhood squares
Next big Demonstration on 19 JUNE _ SPAIN_ EUROPE_______________________________________________________
new relationship web page: https://n-1.cc/
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Bad news for the establishment :
we are**allunited inSpain**
Today have gathered in Madrid about 30 representatives of different cities of the country.
This week_end will work about how to co_ordinate.
we are going to get it.****%(#000040)[we go slowly but it is because it is a long way to go]
join us
cheerslink : http://madrid.tomalaplaza.net/
basic principles of the Real Democracy Now, that is how the movement is called, are three :
1,.) To develop as an Horizontal movement. Leaders are not allowed. There are no leaders.
2,.) The search for collective thinking . Everything is discussed in the Assemblies, Neighbourhood, Local,...National...International ?... and resolutions must be taken by consensus. No-one must fall apart.
3,._) Non ViolenceThis are the tools of the movement so far.
we are improving the second tool.
with a bit of imagination you can see Frank Gehry´s sculptures style is in the camps ,._))) -
28th of June
Hot, hot, hot weather,33, 34, 35... celsius degreesall over Spain. No more Demonstrations now. But the work continues. The net grows. The neighbourhood organises themselves. Today is the debate of the current state of the nation in the Parliament. There will be another debate about it, in the Puerta del Sol, made by the people.
The movement is acting strongly in stopping ejections from their homes of people who can not pay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keECLmhimwE&feature=player_embedded
The political debate continues but still do not reach consensus.
The movement goes under and expands. It is starting to spontaneously propose the survival out off the system. Self organisation. Alternatives of work, of food, dwellings,...
I think the movement is going to develop in that way. No single hand to be given to the system. After all 2.012 is just about to come and for something really NEW to come we have to prepare ourselves with something new as well.
Meanwhile the march towards Madrid goes on, despite of the hot weather.
It is not easy. But the movement does not give up. The movement learns.
This is all for now
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It is very hard to break this chains...I don't know how.
Well, in Serbia people where hiding from Otoman empire for 500 years living in woods, far from the centers of power, to be free. Then, when first Serbian politician came in 19th century he made towns and made people come in. So, they had to pay taxes. He could rule (I'd say somebody else trough him). It's time again to go to the woods, but global. I think it's the same thing. I thought about it myself, to design and build "a town" for likewise people..but it's hard to break chains in yourself...and to find likewise too...We'll see. -
Your people once did it then, that is a huge advantage, srx, the experience must be then in your genetic code by now.
Lucky you
I agree with your thoughts that this is going to be global.
I am worried about the cities.
I think it will be quite hard to survive there, but it must be possible to get organised somehow and we have to think about it and prepare.
The channels for transportation of food, when oil is no more avalaible, or electricity not working well any more,...
Maybe selecting districts in the cities, close to the avalaible coming of the food,... I do not know.
But it is the time to start moving on that direction of the thoughts.
And not too much time is left.
The good thing now is that we can share our experiences and learnings and that all this is necessary to happen for the new good times to come.
cheers and good luck ¡
not to alarm anyone, but this video makes me think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3-vwYJiD8g&feature=player_embedded#at=395
5th of July, people win police, ,:)))
update 16th of July
People keep working in their neighbourhoods. Politicians have just changed the law in one day about ejections of homes. Not as expected but they raised the money that the Bank can not touch in a working family. They are too proposing ways to change the way that they are elected. The movement has created consciousness of change. Things go slowly and silently but I think no one doubts that it will demonstrate when needed. Things are bad. Greece will probably leave the Euro zone. Europe will not be the same. Spain is constantly in danger. The good thing about this movement is that people are getting to know each other´s needs and think about how to help and what it is needed to be done. Something good has to come out of it. Maybe a new Reinassance
or maybe not.Time will tell.
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Marchs from the cities have arrived to Madrid****,._)
,._) keep moving ,._)
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I'm glad to see you people are still walking. Congratulations on your persistence.
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thank you srx for your understanding of the situation and your support,
and sorry for the delay, I have just arrived from holidays.
The Puerta del Sol Square has been closed and cleared. The police stands day and night at the square not letting anyone cross it. I do not understand. They are going to loose again. Just watch these images from today in the surroundings
I will keep updating
cheers
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Back again
Yesterday night the Square was opened again.
maybe it has been because of the demands of the traders ¡
But,...
nevertheless we wonYouTube - BACK AGAIN
[flash=480,385:1ka5wt8i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K5PkmE1OYI[/flash:1ka5wt8i]
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I''m following your posts with interest Juan.
I think we (Western World) will be seeing many changes in how we govern ourselves over the next few years. Electing political parties to do the job is just not working. This system is now totally outdated in the Information Age we live in. People's wishes are ONLY taken into account prior to Election Day and after that they are put to one side.
After a government gets into power they quickly put their platform policies on the shelf. Not even political party 'grass root' member's voices are taken into account. The politicians simply fall into the grasp and control of the 'World Financiers' and its this group that govern! This can be clearly seen from what has happened in Iceland, Greece, Ireland and soon Portugal, Spain, Italy. Others will follow quickly.
I am not able to particularly identify the real Power Brokers but groups like Bilderberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group comes to mind. I imagine there are others. There is even a concerted effort to control the Net. I hope this never happens! Although I imagine, because of the way the Net has been set up that they will not be able to fully control it. If they do, we are all screwed!
Mike
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Thanks**Mike**for your interest.
Yes indeed we are all going to be screwed. Money is money.
AH ¡ THE LAW ¡
They lend.
Then apply the interest.
Then Governments can not pay back.
Then they take the countries.
¡ SO SIMPLE ¡ and ¡ SO DIFFICULT TO CHANGE ¡
First we gather and think about it.
Second we organise ourselves, and
Third we take action. That is the plan.
No other way in the movement.
And we will win just because of the fact that it was Man and Women who invented the Money and not the Money who invented the Women and the Man.
So it is all about taking conscience of that fact and realize that we were first and that we can do it better.
And when I say we I mean the people.
Governments and Politicians are too busy into trying to pay back,
not wondering about anything else.
They must believe that Money is the Law.
But we do not We will fight
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