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@hepf said:
The Claudianus was radically modified. ...
on top of the platform that we know nowadays as the Barberini wineyard.As for my problem with drawing on a xy plane, Fluffy's suggestion doesn't quite solve the problem, I usually redraw in x ray mode a plan that lies at z = 0, and the point I try to draw on the plane gets sunk to the underlying drawing ... I would like to tell the program to freeze the z so the cursor stays put on the xy plane whatever is visible down there ...
Just minor details, but it's Claudianum (I think), and the word in English is vineyard.
I love the video, it is very clear and nicely done. Very nice effect with the construction of the Colosseum too!
I have some questions though, out of pure interest (and because you are so close to the source
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In the pre-64AD situation, there is a temple facing the Palatine on the spot where Nero would later build his vestibule and Domitian his temple of Venus and Roma (visible at about 1:00 in your movie). What temple is that? Is it just a "plausible reconstruction" of yourself, are there actual remains? I don't recall having seen it on any map before...About the z-plane problem, sorry I can't help. Maybe Csaba will appear with a better solution.
The thing I do when tracing a plan on z=0, is to draw it on z=0 in a group, and simply move the group upwards along the blue axis for the required height. -
Ok, also a bit off topic but still to do with modeling Ancient Rome...
One doesn't always have a chance to be in contact with and get the opinion of someone who is that closely related to the source as Mr FanoStarting to assemble information on the "vestibule of Domitian" below the Domus Tiberiana to start modeling it, I came across a very interesting paper by someone at the Cordoba University, suggesting a totally different use of the building than what I've read before.
The most current options are convincingly refuted. I won't go into detail, but he claims that:
- it can't be the library of the Domus Tiberiana, since the niches are completely unsuited to house book scrolls
- for the same reason it can't be the Athenaeum (which, by the way, was erected by hadrian and the building already existed by then)
- it doesn't look at all like any temple we know, so the option Temple of Augustus is out too
- it would be quite strange to build a monumental vestibule on that spot, while according to all ancient authors describe the Clivus Palatinus giving out on the Area Palatina as being the main entrance to the palace
- the ramp does not alow for big groups of people to go up, it resembles more a private connection between the palace itself and the "vestibule" complex
In stead, they claim it could have been a new and larger Curia, to replace the Iulian one on the Forum which had burnt down and could house only about 300 senators, while under Domitian there were over 900.
Hints for this are:- the shape; the three spaces closely resemble the Iulian Curia, which also had one assembly room, an atrium and a chalcidicum.
- the West hall could have easily held more than 600 senators, with the emperor/consuls seated right across the main entrance, just as the Curia
- keeping the new Curia close to the palace, but on a level below it, also shows the power of the emperor over the Senate
Furthermore they say that the building was never finished in its original form (the marble cladding and the vault to be constructed yet by the time of Domitian's death). In line with the damnatio memoriae which was cast over him, his successors (Hadrian most likely) changed the destination of the building to either a warehouse or an "insula" for slaves or the praetorian guard inserting rooms in the senate hall.
I'd love to hear your opinion on this
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Sorry Fluffy, for the time being I have no info on the Domus Tiberiana issue.
As for the temple on the slope of the Velia, it was completely razed by Nero's atrium, which later became the base for the temple of Venus and Rome. What the excavations showed was just the sidewalk in front of the temple, with two sacred wells at each end. So we have a hint on how broad it was (not much, about 14 meters) how ancient (a lot, one of the wells could be dated at Vth bC, and it contained even older materials, VIIIth bC, that had been thrown in at the moment of the consecration. Both the sidewalks and the well's walls had been preserved and raised through the centuries, which means it was very revered and important. But there's no mention in the sources, and the rich materials found in the wells don't give any certain indication about who or what was the deity to which it was dedicated. -
And here are three links. The first is an interview with a nice explanation about the temple on the Velia slope and the sacred wells. The second is my animation with my (bad) english comment. The third is a broader view on the Palatine slope excavation.
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Ludus Magnus
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Around the Ludus Magnus there were other gladatorial gyms about which little is known, the two main ones were the Ludus Matutinus and Ludus Dacicus. There goes a try.
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Impressive.
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Thanks Bryan.
Basilica of Maxentius, more or less ...
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And that's in place ...
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Hey everybody,
I thought I'd show you a small update on my progress.In stead of modelling anything new, I think I'll spend the next couple of weeks cleaning it up.
The model is very messy: having over 30 million edges it is becoming unbearable to work with. I will have to draw the interiors in a separate file, replace all columns by even less detailed ones and abandon all invisible technical stuff (like supporting beams for the roofs and inside doors).
I need to rethink the model as well. For now, I've been doing all for which archaeological material was available the easiest. That's why you see the "severan extensions" in their flavian phase, the "vigna barberini" in its severan phase and the "Santa Maria Antiqua" in its domitianic phase, all in the same model... The idea was to have all phases in one model, and browse through them with scenes and layers. But that will be way too heavy I guess.Anyway, it'll be another 10 years before it's finally finished but I love working on it
Regards,
Tom
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Happy new year.
... Emperor Hadrian moved the colossus into the valley with the help of 24 elephants ...
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Bona Saturnalia!!
Thanks hepf, it's very fun!!
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I still think that Nero's atrium probably had a temple at its center, this is another try ...
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I've been criticized because I used the standard Sketchup guys in jeans and t-shirt to give scale to the roman views, so I took some images from Alix to populate the renderings, but they do not work that well. I'll have to look for some other solution ...
And I wonder why the .skp is that big. Thought it would be much lighter ...
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Csaba, I am playing with some tools that may interest you, especially 123D catch, that is a free software from Autodesk. I made some interesting 3D visualizations of my wife's excavation and finds. I still use sketchup a lot, as you'll see in the video, made mainly in Poser (the video is just a joke to experiment things), but I am also looking at other software. At the time being I am going crazy trying to learn Blender ...
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I am trying my hand at interiors, there goes a WIP on Venus and Rome, still a long way to go ...
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Glad to see an update, I was afraid you had abandoned the project!
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Thanks a lot, Tom. I need fans. There goes the model with all the statues, the volumes are ok, I think. Now it's time for UV's and textures and bump maps, but that will have to wait. I used Blender's decimate modifier on Poser characters for the statues, and I think it works fine, I get some decent figures at very low res and very light. No way I could have built a model with about 26 human figures otherwise ...
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I am intrigued by the cistern called the sette sale (seven halls, even if the cistern corridors are nine). Lots of problems in the reconstruction, the lower part is rather straightforward, but the upper part is hellish. I am pretty sure the project was part of Nero's golden house, raised partly after Nero's death by Titus, enlarged and completed by Trajan. A part of the structures on top of it belongs to Trajan, but there is also a late roman extension (IVth century). One of the problems is the access to the upper level. I think the terrain on the northern side was more or less level with it, and that the access was through that side. We'll see.
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