Build Rome
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To Pichuneke. Yup, "skyscrapers" are a problem. Nero established a height limit of 21 m. (seven floors) which means that before the fire you had even higher buildings. Usually bricks for the first two floors, and shaky wooden structures going up from there. That didn't happen in the central area, but it did in the shadier neighbourhoods, like the Suburra. I am fond of Gilles Chaillet's work, he usually did a good research, but he got some things wrong. In the plate I show he imagined nice gardens and gazebos on the top floor. That's a modern idea, when you have elevators. In roman times the wealthy lived on the first floor, and poorer and poorer people going up. The really miserable lived on the top floor, had to carry water and things up there through shaky stairs, and were practically condemned to death in case of fire.
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Seems the comic's image is very near from Alix by a French guy Jacques Martin (1948) a pioneer!
Gilles Chaillet was assigned by Jacques Martin the resumption of drawings of the adventures (1976) under his direction
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@hepf said:
To Pichuneke. Yup, "skyscrapers" are a problem. Nero established a height limit of 21 m. (seven floors) which means that before the fire you had even higher buildings. Usually bricks for the first two floors, and shaky wooden structures going up from there. That didn't happen in the central area, but it did in the shadier neighbourhoods, like the Suburra. I am fond of Gilles Chaillet's work, he usually did a good research, but he got some things wrong. In the plate I show he imagined nice gardens and gazebos on the top floor. That's a modern idea, when you have elevators. In roman times the wealthy lived on the first floor, and poorer and poorer people going up. The really miserable lived on the top floor, had to carry water and things up there through shaky stairs, and were practically condemned to death in case of fire.
I knew it, hepf. Julius Cesar was born in one of those buildings. Am I right? At least I read it in a novel. Cerdá, the spanish urbanist that made the famous "ensanche" (enlargement) of the city of Barcelona, considered that, as there were not elevators in the XIX century, the buildings would help to the integration of the different social classes. In the first floor the richest, at the top floor the poorest. But as all the neighbors would see themselves every day, they may mix (the son of the rich marries the daughter of the poor in the same building).
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Grazie per la colonna, Micione.
Yes, the comic image is Alix, but Chaillet is the artist and researcher on roman architecture.
This is a first try of the shops in front of the Coliseum. Probably the entrance to the side road to the right was monumentalized with an arch or something ...
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Another set, that I'll probably use for the road that goes up to the arc of Constantine (Via Gregoriana) ...
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That's what it looks like ...
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My God, you make my model sink into oblivion...
I am - again - rethinking the whole thing. It was beginning to get so immense that I had to cut it into different files to make it manageable. And I barely began to add details...
If you want, I can mail you the pieces I already have. But as I said, they are still quite "crude". (it would be a wonderful opportunity for me as well to get your remarks on mistakes etc; there's many things I'm not sure about)Here's some views of the triclinium interior, on which I'm working now.
Regards,
Tom
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C'mon, you are fishing for compliments! You are doing a wonderful job, very detailed. I work on simplified exteriors, much easier.
My objection is for the conic roofing in the gymnasium, I think a domelike roof would be more appropriate.
Suppose you already have these drawings, but if not it may help. Sheila Gibson was a fine lady and a great draftasman (draftswoman?).
Later on I'll get in contact to see if we can swap models, I have other things in my hands right now.
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@hepf said:
C'mon, you are fishing for compliments! You are doing a wonderful job, very detailed. I work on simplified exteriors, much easier.
My objection is for the conic roofing in the gymnasium, I think a domelike roof would be more appropriate.
Suppose you already have these drawings, but if not it may help. Sheila Gibson was a fine lady and a great draftasman (draftswoman?).
Later on I'll get in contact to see if we can swap models, I have other things in my hands right now.I'm really not fishing for compliments, promised! just jealous of your work and ability to let go of the details and draw something simple that still looks great. The level of detail I put in is more a hassle than an addition...
You are absolutely right about Gibson. I have a copy of her article she wrote with Janet DeLaine and Amanda Claridge for the British School at Rome, "The Triclinium of the Domus Flavia: a New Reconstruction". That's what I based the measurements of the interior orders on.
For the conical roof, that's indeed something I recently changed, based on a model of the "severan" extensions I saw from the people at DAINST.
Looking forward to a model swap, I'll try to advance a bit further. When the interior of the triclinium is done, I will attack either the interior of the Aula Regia or finish the outlines of the "no man's land".
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When finished, consider using a 3D game engine (there are some very good free for no commercial uses), to walk inside the building, I linked somewhere in the forums a video I made with my model of the roman theatre of Orange. All the low-poly models are perfect for that.
I am resting of romans. I am working in a spanish theatre of the XVIIth century (like the english ones, Globe theatre and so). I'll link you here when I have something interesting (if you forgive me the offtopic)
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The last images I posted belonged to my reconstruction of the road that connected the circus with the Coliseum valley, after the fire of 64 ad. I am trying to imagine what the same road looked like before the fire. It was narrower, and about 4 m. below the level after the fire (and nowadays). This is my firs try at what the houses might have looked like ...
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Sorry, this is the image ...
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I've added some more buiding blocks. For the wooden building I took inspiration from some norwegian ones, and it shows. I'll have to try something else ...
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I like a lot your work, but I agree with you this time. Perhaps this may inspire you:
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Thanks, Pichuneke. Interesting buidings, but too low rise for me. I need to imagine what an urban building six or seven floors high like might have looked like. Tried moving it a bit ...
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Well... I was referring to the constructive technique, but used in more floors. In the last link I have seen this building, that although medieval, may give you an idea of what I mean. More wooden floors at the top, and roman style, but I think you will be able to see the concept.
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Wonderful building, Pichuneke. I hope it is still standing, the photo looks old. But it's not too different from what I modeled, first floor in masonry, struts and up with wood. This is a first try at placing the houses at the sides of the road that leads to the meta Sudans fountain ...
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Midway along the road of San Gregorio, on the left, there's the present day entrance to the Palatine hill, and right inside this impressive set of water cisterns. They probably served also as a sort of monumental base for the temple of Fortuna Respiciens. The road was part of the triumphal way. Victorious generals enjoyed a triumphal parade along this road, with the population accaliming them. But there were also keepsakes of human frailty: a slave muttered in his ear "remember you are a mortal", and the parade passed by this temple, dedicated to a sister of the goddess Fortuna, or good luck; but this goddess is looking the other way (respiciens). Good luck is not necessarily always with you, if you are not careful (and respectful to your gods), she might look the other way next time.
Well, this is my idea of the temple...
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This thread looks amazing! what a progression!
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I have a presentation tomorrow, and for that I prepared this short (6 min.) film. It's a sinthesis of the work done up to now. http://youtu.be/1MUBIrDeZnw
I am leaving for Haiti next week, but I'll be back at mid november, and I promise that at that time I'll prepare a version in english (always with my croaky voice though).I need some help for Sketchup (mostly from Csaba, I suppose). I often have to draw a floor plan, or something like that, on a fixed plane, let's say at z = 15. I am sure there must be a way to "freeze" the cursor so that it only moves in the xy plane, but so far I haven't found it ... and it drives me crazy ...
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