A Thread for Fine Design

mitcorb

Quoting dale from a previous page: "Although I still think fine design is subjective, are there then objective attributes that define it?"... and the rest of the post. Thank you for making that statement
This is just an expansion of your comments, NOT in opposition:
What do you think of pocketless button down shirts, whether major label or not? Innovative? Stylish?
My first reaction 10+years ago was "emasculating." "Whimsical". "Change for change's sake". It has forced men at least to find other places for pens and pencils(if they bother to use them) or beg others for one when needed. Where do you put your sunglasses, your boarding pass, or whatever?
Then I realized the reason the pockets disappeared was to save billions and billions of dollars in labor and still charge the same or more for the shirt, and oh by the way, it looks chic because some twerp up east said so.

dale

@mitcorb said:

Quoting dale from a previous page: "Although I still think fine design is subjective, are there then objective attributes that define it?"... and the rest of the post. Thank you for making that statement
This is just an expansion of your comments, NOT in opposition:
What do you think of pocketless button down shirts, whether major label or not? Innovative? Stylish?
My first reaction 10+years ago was "emasculating." "Whimsical". "Change for change's sake". It has forced men at least to find other places for pens and pencils(if they bother to use them) or beg others for one when needed. Where do you put your sunglasses, your boarding pass, or whatever?
Then I realized the reason the pockets disappeared was to save billions and billions of dollars in labor and still charge the same or more for the shirt, and oh by the way, it looks chic because some twerp up east said so.

You have a good point here ( Although the pocketless shirts did rid us of the dreaded pocket protector .)
I think though that this may be more a case of design dictated by accountants more than designers.
I once read an article that was talking about a match company that produced a whole batch of matches that were useless (we are talking hundreds of thousands of them). They met with their employees to come up with a solution, thinking they could alter their production machinery slightly to run the product through again and correct. Their accountant came up with the idea of putting 1 useless match in with every packet of matches, until they got rid of them, and apparently although it took years, they did just that. (in fact I think I found one of those just the other day)
After putting some of the posts up on this thread, and looking at some of the young designers out ther, particularly the independent ones, I'm really quite impressed by their contributions.