Is the Gallery section starting to resemble 3DWH?
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Would it be possible to have a gallery that was full of thumbnails and pictures that could be viewed by category, author, status, most popular, most commented, expertise (perhaps computed from members scores)?
Could this be independent of the standard forum application other than its launch - I think the Daily Catchup is like that? If so comments could then be attached and opened from the image itself and/or some other link.
For me the main thing is that it would be a proper web gallery. The element of contributor/viewer choice is considerably widened. And for me I do not get notification of a new post in a topic I am interested in that when opened simply says AWESOME.
Sorry Rich if you thought I was suggesting you were dull - not so.
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This is indeed a good idea, Chris, although I doubt we could "tune" the forum software itself to do this but we could add "articles" to the Daily CatchUp (and/or similar things in case we would revive our monthly newsletter or similar).
It all depends on manpower at the moment however. The Daily CatchUp should have much more and much more versatile content anyway but that's unfortunately not an automated system but manual article writing (which would also involve subjective decision what to write about for instance).
We are seriously considering a brand new website (main page and similar) that could (possibly? maybe?) pull info from various parts of the forum and we could continuously showcase valuable contributions throughout the various sections of the forums (or am I just dreaming? Well, that's my goal at the moment anyway).
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That's good to know there are moves afoot to exploit let us say more adventurous use of software. It seems to me that the functionality of gallery pages can be limited to navigation (multi-entry point browsing), uploading, resizing, commenting, and possibly rating. I don't know about uploading but the rest seems to be within the skills in the community. I am sure it has to be open (and therefore automatic) otherwise the same old moans will persist (should be like TV where the viewer can always change channel).
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Certainly a good debate, and although I originally voted yes to a split up in the poll, I am not so sure after paying attention to this thread.
It has caused me to think about the way I use the forum, and like others have mentioned, if I open a new topic post, and it loses me in the first few postings, I probably won't be back.
I do try to have a look at the Gallery posts though because there are some gems that I would hate to overlook. But I think a person develops their own set of "Filters"even if subconsciously. So in the end I'm wondering if a split will really, to me make all that much difference in the way I approach the forum.
I use SketchUp mostly at work to help clients visualize projects. Since the modeling and visualization, in our workflow, happens at the beginning of the process, the work from my point of view would always be a WIP, because usually the project changes, some times quite significantly as it goes through design development and working drawings. The model however, sometimes never gets to evolve in that way, mostly due to time and financial constraints. That would mean for me that in my WIP thread there may not be other versions to post as I'm moving on to the next project. This also makes me feel a little awkward when I receive good and valid criticism that really should be acted on, and because of the above mentioned constraints, don't, then it looks like you are thanking everyone, but totally ignoring their valid suggestions. ( Which implies that their just a bunch of wankers
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I am involved in a lot of other forums, as I'm sure lots of you are, but I don't think any of them offer the timely, quality help that this one does. And although courtesy sometimes gets set aside, not very often.
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@dale said:
Since the modeling and visualization, in our workflow, happens at the beginning of the process, the work from my point of view would always be a WIP, because usually the project changes, some times quite significantly as it goes through design development and working drawings. The model however, sometimes never gets to evolve in that way, mostly due to time and financial constraints. That would mean for me that in my WIP thread there may not be other versions to post as I'm moving on to the next project. This also makes me feel a little awkward when I receive good and valid criticism that really should be acted on, and because of the above mentioned constraints, don't,
Dale, I think your situation is not uncommon. Some rendering artists here may take a perfectly fine work and develop it throughout a project, e.g. those doing very high-profile buildings or film work. But if you do a piece for your own enjoyment or you actually show it to a client, it's finished in that sense. When you get critique you can use it to develop your technique, not necessarily for that project. Not only do great ideas from the forum end up in the round file, but as you well know, so will some of your best work, due to those constraints. I think there's a big difference in that "WIP" you use in presentation and, say, the first layout of a massing study, or rendering experiments with 3DWH downloads. (Not to denigrate any of these.)
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Some of y'all may remember me from way back before the Goog pulled the plug on the original forum after the acquisition. I've stayed away because my newfound freelance life (laid off in July '08) didn't afford me many SU opportunities, but I'm finally starting to sell those kinds of projects. Anyhow, I'm kind of amused to see that the pro vs. newbie thing is still a hot-button issue.
Speaking as someone who's been away for a while, I would lean towards the notion of leaving things fundamentally the same but maybe featuring some rockstar examples somehow. Here's why: I do landscape and architectural design, so tend to prefer the type of thing that marked001 or Tom do. Houses, site plans, I'm on it. WIP threads for a sniper rifle model? Don't care. BUT, occasionally I'll notice that the page count is creeping up on a thread I bypassed, and I check it out and I'm blown away by work outside of what usually interests me. If there was a separate gallery- be it for WIPs, n00bs, or non-architectural models- I'd probably only ever go there if I was on hold with a vendor for an hour or trying really really hard to procrastinate. That would be my loss.
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After reading through some of the posts on this thread I feel that breaking the Gallery section into a Gallery and WIP threads isn't as good an idea as having a separate Gallery section that doesn't have posts.
I'm trying to convince one of my clients to lean more towards SketchUp and Vray rather than going the AutoCAD Architecture route and I'd like to be able to point her to a Gallery of images to make my point. I can send her to the existing Gallery but she doesn't want to read through all sorts of comments, she just wants to see what the software can do for her.
Furthermore, with a separate Gallery, some of the spectacular accomplishments by Solo and others would be around for a much longer period than they are now.
I can do that with modo. There is a Gallery of images that are chosen by the moderators. It's very easy to flip through them to get a sense of what can be accomplished with the software.
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@arail1 said:
... she just wants to see what the software can do for her.
A very good point, one that can be extended to anyone who is unaware of what can be achieved or supported with Sketchup - art, design, manufacture, construction, shopping, educating and on and on.
Rather than masterpieces selected by moderators the gallery could be a place for real member/guest interaction using demographic controls and options.
It is quite disconcerting that some members take a "doesn't affect me" attitude - very shortsighted in my opinion.
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@unknownuser said:
I'm trying to convince one of my clients to lean more towards SketchUp and Vray
What this has to do with SCF?
Solo is not even working with vray.
This is not a SU+vray forum, am I right?
Lot of people do other experiments using lot of apps, workflows etc. Your client will be confused reading all these.
You can't ask for this, its not about personal needs here. Lot of apps like Twilight, podium, shaderlight etc are SU oriented and have some nice galleries on their sites.
Solution: just google, lets say SU+vray+galleries. Or just search SCF, you may convince your client that vray is the best renderer for SU. Possibly.
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@michaliszissiou said:
@unknownuser said:
I'm trying to convince one of my clients to lean more towards SketchUp and Vray
I think what was meant here was more an alternative to Autodesk etc. or perhaps orthogonal drawings in general. This is an extremely important subject if we are ever to reduce the massive and unnecessary amount of paper oriented communication in the building industry and elsewhere. Sketchup models, rendered or not, seem to me to be a good basis for a new modus operandi.
Don't you think?
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I'm not sure how much work would be involved but I think it would be a good idea to include a small thumbnail preview for the finished work gallery posts. It seems like most forums nowadays are going that route anyway.
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Yeah I suppose there is a lot of stuff that isnt too great but people have to learn somewhere. I agree about constructive criticisms and that some people take much offense. I think its great I post on other forums just to get those type of responses. But its true a lot of people seem to post images of barely put together projects. I know im guilty of posting a lot but like somebody mentioned earlier the gallery should be too showcase work that the user wants to show off and is proud of.
I wouldn't say its anywhere as bad as the 3D warehouse! that place is a mess but its not all bad at least its getting young people interested in 3D! But the whole car modding thing is a joke!!!! grrr
I think its simple really, split the gallery to a work in progress section and then a finished images gallery. And if its possible have a small thumbnail section to show tiny images before you click on the post. But I dont know how difficult that would be, I hope its sorted out however!Hope you can split the gallery good luck with whatever you choose.
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