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THIS MAKES ME SO MAD...!!!
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On top of all, I can't believe that a cracked version for $ 50 would be too appealing when you can buy a legit license for only $ 59 - $9 more!
But that's just one little side note.
Our forum policy clearly states that not only distributing pirated material is strictly forbidden here (read direct attachment or via PM's) but even mentioning and posting such resources, too.
Of course, I don't consider this particular discussion as such - we are talking about piracy in general and piracy in certain, particular examples now (and to tell members why I am not too much concerned about this pert of it - search bots are disallowed in the Corner Bar - no wonder why)
So Purplewind, I would consider to take Frederick's (or Fletch') request and remove any kind of version of Twilight you are distributing on your site a very friendly approach towards the international SketchUp community and all those who develop these wonderful plugins (not confined to Twilight of course).
I am pretty sure that you could easily make a "deal" with the Twilight Render developers. They are not stupid and realise what a big market the Chinese speaking world would be. But follow some basic rules, please.
Also (and now I am talking for SketchUcation), I am not pleased with SketchUpBAR simply re-posting interviews (or any other, published material) released at SketchUcation - like in this case with Goh Chun Hee (see the original article).
Generally speaking, a news site is most of the times glad to see its articles mentioned elsewhere but the general "policy" which can be beneficial for both parties is to post something (some bits) about it and provide a link to the original (yes, I know that's also a translation). In your article there is not even a mention of the original article (except that you didn't change "The Daily CatchUp" and "TDC".
Or here is TIG's new Lathe plugin (now also shared on a file sharing site I am pretty sure he does not know of). I am not saying that SketchUcation has any copyrights over his plugins but it would probably be a very friendly approach to ask him first.
Anyway, all in all I am pleased that you are here and we can talk about these issues in public and openly and looking forward to a good relationship with you guys based on mutual respect of each other (and first of all, of course, developers of programs who work hard tzo deliver applications very useful still mostly available and accesible for everyone).
Now as for sketchupbbs - which is not YOU and your site -, that's a different thing as I am reading the posts above. Something really must be taken against serious piracy (although I am afraid that a bunch of enthusiasts as we are talking here, we won't be able to do much).
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I have merged the two topics now. Sorry if it causes a bit of mess but there is a good reason for this - they are both about the same issue and it is serious enough not to let it scattered everywhere.
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Purplewind, I see that nothing has been done regarding the pirated software on your site, it's still available for download.
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@Bianhai - Brian
The more I browse on your web-site (http://sketchupbbs.com/), the more surprised I get...
You definitely seem to have a huge part in the distribution of the pirated version of Twilight Render...
You're even posting the Twilight render tutorial videos as if it were your own and without giving credits to the author...
Please check out: this thread...You claim to be the official Chinese SketchUp forum... If this is really right, I sure hope Google and everyone else will ban you and condamn your website...
What you're doing is really shamefull and extremely bad practise...!
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Purplewind, looks like you and Brian have a rivalry, you are showing him up as a pirate to make yourself look good, but let's not be to quick to claim innocence...
A case of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Every time when he(Brain) makes conflict, he calls me “young guy”,” was expelled”, actually I am an architect working in the China State Construction Engrg Corp. Southwest academe(the CSWADI).
Until last year I am one of the administrators in the Sketchupbbs.com. I found that site was going against my principia, so I left there all by myself. I found Brain want to make a profit from associates by lawless transshipment; toll downloads, and sells pirated software……and other actions. As a matter of fact I loved sketchupbbs.com until last year, but now I feel sorry about it. Recently he got the China SU dealership, but he never stop releasing cracks and pirated software , and still be in pocket from those student associates by charging downloads .
I think the aim we build up commercial services site is all right, BUT he never incite a single model, everyday he copy and paste things to his site to charge, I don’t want to say more. -
If I understand correctly both sites work on a point/rank system
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Hey, what a witch hunt.
I don't think SCF as a forum should deal with it.
It's better that the people that are getting hit by this (developers of commercial plugins) react to that on their own behalf.I prefer Sketchucation being a SU forum for the sketchup USERS in the first place, and not the forum for defending the commercial intrests of the commercial people here.
ps: I am not saying that piracy is a good thing as a note. But yes, it happens all over the web.
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Chris, please...
@kwistenbiebel said:
I don't think SCF as a forum should deal with it.
I prefer Sketchucation being a SU forum for the sketchup USERS in the first place, and not the forum for defending the commercial intrests of the commercial people here.First of all, please note that this is posted in the Corner bar...
I posted this here in first place in order to see if anybody knew anything about Sketchupbar.com...Just like you can leave other posts/threads where you don't have an interest, you can also just leave this one...
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Oh, I have no problem with you posting this and I enjoy reading it.
I am just anticipating on 'official' SCF actions/responses, which I think would be misplaced.
For the rest, I said what I said.Sketchup (forums) for the people!
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Kwist, I kinda disagree, SCF is the place of choice that authors of amazing plugins, free and commercial come to first in order to distribute and sell their goods, this is also the attraction SCF has as anyone in the SU world knows that this is the go to place to see, learn and get the latest plugins and news.
I believe we should show solidarity and stand by these guys, make a public showing of support.
Take for instance Whaat's subdivide and smooth plugin, here is a guy that has done so much for everyone, his generosity is endless, all that he wanted was some compensation for all the time he invested, so these guys pirate it and they either freely distribute it or gainfully. Does this motivate dale (Whaat) to bring out a newer updated version only to be given away free? probably not, so he loses and so do we (the users), as his commercial script is IMO the best thing to happen to SU.
I will use this forum in anyway to protect and defend these valuable members. -
sketchupbar.com is young,we will try our best to avoid pirated software beeing posted and other illegal things.We will energize the management.
But I want to say that the Chinese law allow us to make Chinesization without payment to the author as long as we do not sell them. sometimes even without the authorization.Our principle is learn SU and renders for free.Sorry for the troubles we have made.
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And I disagree with you in return.
A response is fine and if the commercial developers feel they need to speak in one united voice about this matter I would say: go for it.
But is SCF the right spokesman for this?The fact that we should be grateful to the plugin writers has nothing to do with it.
I am grateful too for all the lovely contributions.
But the plugins are not written for SCF, they are written for Sketchup users.SCF does not 'own' the plugins, the authors own them, and that is how it should be.
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@tas_1985 said:
sketchupbar.com is young,we will try our best to avoid pirated software beeing posted and other illegal things.We will energize the management.
Sounds great...
Looking forward to see some actions take place...@tas_1985 said:
But I want to say that the Chinese law allow us to make Chinesization without payment to the author as long as we do not sell them.
For obvious reasons, I don't have any knowledge about Chinese law...
I take your word for it, but want to express my dissatisfaction with the approach...
In my part of the world, the least you can do is to ask for permission by the developers...@tas_1985 said:
sometimes even without the authorization.
You can argue that you wouldn't get the permission if you ask, but NOT asking at all is very disrespectful...!!
Please read what Fletch wrote...
@fletch said:
Twilight Render is very OPEN AND WELCOMING to creating versions in different languages, and we are also committed to providing help for "educational" institutions... those interested need only to ASK and be given permission. We will gladly work with someone to translate the software, but rights will NOT be given to redistribute on any other website for pay or free. We are the only one with the right to distribute Twilight Render. Pisces clearly knows this.
Shane Fletcher
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@kwistenbiebel said:
But is SCF the right spokesman for this?
Who, what, where would be the right place then...???
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@kwistenbiebel said:
...But the plugins are not written for SCF, they are written for Sketchup users...
@unknownuser said:
Or here is TIG's new Lathe plugin (now also shared on a file sharing site I am pretty sure he does not know of). I am not saying that SketchUcation has any copyrights over his plugins but it would probably be a very friendly approach to ask himfirst.
Chris, No-one said anything you are trying to imply here. In fact, I was exctly saying what you are saying. The only thing I spoke for SketchUcation was this:
@unknownuser said:
Also (and now I am talking for SketchUcation), I am not pleased with SketchUpBAR simply re-posting interviews (or any other, published material) released at SketchUcation - like in this case with Goh Chun Hee (see the original article).
And as for joining forces to fight piracy, I don't see any problems with people raising their voices here (or anywhere else in fact) but if I can add any little bit of help (and in this case even using SCF), I am rather happy than cautious to keep myself away.
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@unknownuser said:
...Who knows what tutorials have been copied as well. And those belong to authors who will subsequently suffer because of the missed advertisement income EDIT: ...they are entitled to.
True. I wouldn't be against any fair solution. I could imagine for instance that a Chinese sketchupper (or in fact, any other foreign language speaker) translates the tutorial and we would gladly host those versions too - obviously with the author's consent and probably some kind of sharing the income between the the author and the translator.
But again; that must be a part of a deal and not revamping/reposting everything without consent or even asking.
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@tas_1985 said:
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But I want to say that the Chinese law allow us to make Chinesization without payment to the author as long as we do not sell them. sometimes even without the authorization.I really like to see that law, translated properly. I only have find this http://www.chinaiprlaw.com/english/laws/laws10.htm and there a right to translation is only given to original copyright holder. What I have understood Chinese copyright law allows translation only, if it does not infrict rights of original copyright holder - so I see that your are simply explaing the missuse.
Sure there are laws that do allow modification of a software for private use in certain cases (if you have purchased an software and it does not work or in educational use), but they do not allow distribution of the modified software. Also translation is allowed, but in fairly limited form "(6) translation, or reproduction in a small quantity of copies, of a published work for use by teachers or scientific researchers, in classroom teaching or scientific research, provided that the translation or reproduction shall not be published or distributed;"
So please, no excuses. These sites are clearly infricting copyrights and it's really shameful that they representatives do come here to claim that they have right to do so. -
We made translations on the purpose of free education. Now we have deleted our translation version of TW. For the future we will only translate software and plug-ins that are authorized.
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