Yang Peiyi, the little girl that SHOULD have appeared ....
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Hi John,
In the case of Pavorotti lip-syncing, I am not familiar with this
story, but I imagine he was doing it with his own recorded voice.This is a somewhat different matter. The China Olympic people
were misleading the World and selling the true singer short (excuse
the pun).
Mike
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@johnsenior1973 said:
IMO it's all a big fuss over nothing.
Please forgive me, I have to be true to myself and disagree. IMO it's all a big fuss over SOMETHING!
Something vaguely similar happened to me many years ago, and ,, well,, enough.I promise to not carry on a flame over this, just my 2 (1943) cents.
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I was watching synchronized diving the other night and the chinese girls couldn't have been 16! I mean... I know the average chinese person is smaller than the average american but come on... these girls looked like they were 8 or 9! No Joke!
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According to NPR the chinese are faking a other stuff as well. . .
The fireworks we saw. . .well i didn't watch it. . .I refuse. . .but the fireworks that were broadcast on TV opening ceremonies were CG. And it is suspected by some that their little girl Gymnasts might not be 16 yrs old at all. .. in fact some of them look to be around 12.
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I miss the good ol' Cold war days when you knew that the East German Women were . .. were built like Brick Sh*t boxes! There was much more clarity in the cheating back then.
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Interesting article in the Calgary Herald regarding the Olympics
I think these "fakes" provide some interesting discussion material. The spirit of the Olympics is sportsmanship and clean wins/records - although we know that this honesty isn't part of everyone's agenda... I remember the shame when Ben Johnson was the worlds fastest man ('88 I think) and then very shortly after became the world's fastest man on Anabolic Steroids.. Canada's shame.
But the "cheating" that China is pursuing and being caught with is in poor taste. Especially during the olympics. Or is it - US does a number of these types of things too - but generally they are not comparable..Mountain out of a molehill??
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I can't get started on the Olympics. . .. Im from Salt Lake. (Winter 02) The Whole Bribery thing broke here. . .although everyone knows that it had been going on since Rome 1960 at least. The thing that irks me is the IOC is the most corrupt group of woohoos ever and yet they spew all this drivel about Sportsmanship, world peace and unity thru sport . .. all the while everyone is doped up, palm greased and CGI enhanced.
DO I sound like I'm ranting????
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Belief in the Olympic Spirit should disappear soon after belief in the tooth fairy. The true Olympic spirit is $$$$$$$$$.
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@unknownuser said:
I was watching synchronized diving the other night and the chinese girls couldn't have been 16! I mean... I know the average chinese person is smaller than the average american but come on... these girls looked like they were 8 or 9! No Joke!
If they weren't 16 years old doesn't that make the fact they are competing in the Olympic Games even more impressive?
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@johnsenior1973 said:
Belief in the Olympic Spirit should disappear soon after belief in the tooth fairy. The true Olympic spirit is $$$$$$$$$.
Why do you think the IOC had no qualms about selecting a murderous, totalitarian regime to host the games. to Protect the market of 1 billion consumers --plus they hold a good piece of the marker on our huge debt.
I think they do have a new event for this Olympics tho'--The 800 M tank Stare-Down
All due respect to him, but Michael Phelps is no Jessie Owens
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@mike lucey said:
Hi John,
In the case of Pavorotti lip-syncing, I am not familiar with this
story, but I imagine he was doing it with his own recorded voice.This is a somewhat different matter. The China Olympic people
were misleading the World and selling the true singer short (excuse
the pun).Mike
What about the rich tradition of voice dubbing, the most famous of which has to be Marni Nixon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marni_Nixon -
I did think of that argument Paul, but singers that sell their
services to Movie Studios to be dubbed by actors / actresses
is a little different than this case. The song / singer was
normally noted in the film credits.This was not the case with Yang Peiyi. If this had been done
from the start I would not see hat happened as a problem. -
@unknownuser said:
I was watching synchronized diving the other night and the chinese girls couldn't have been 16! I mean... I know the average chinese person is smaller than the average american but come on... these girls looked like they were 8 or 9! No Joke!
The 16 yo age limit applies to gymnastics; for diving, it's 14 (which Britain's Tim Daley just turned in May). I don't recall seeing any who looked 8 or 9.
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I'm okay with the lip-syncing & CG fireworks. I thought the opening was fantastic. Much more entertaining than previous openings (and makes Superbowl halftime seem like a joke by comparison).
It seems to me that these Olympics are the best organized of the ones I've been watching over my years.
What seems worse to me is the TV coverage. It sucks! While the video is great (provided by China), it sucks that the coverage being televised here in Canada, but also in the USA, is overly Nationalistic. We watch the CBC & NBC coverage - flicking between channels. Rather than show the best of the Olympics both countries focus the vast majority of their coverage on their own athletes. They will show their own performances & edit out those of the competitors. The result lacks context and reduces everything to a stupid flag-waving exercise. The problem is intensified by the relatively limited coverage being offered this year. I remember when Olympic TV coverage was on almost continuous many hours each day. This year CBC & NBC seem to be showing just a couple of three-to-four hour blocks a day. With most of what they do show edited to feature only their own nation's performances. My niece is in South Korea right now and she says the coverage there is even more nationalistic than here. I hope it isn't the same everywhere around the world.
Regards, Ross
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I agree with Mike that this little girl Yang Peiyi should not have been
substituted by Lin Miaoke. This is a big injustice to the little Yang who
obviously has the tallent but hasnt got the required looks or at least
someone thinks this way.And for the people that think that this is fuss over nothing let me tell
You something about these countries like China.
I lived most of my life in a socialist/comunist state that was once
called Yugoslavia. In those countries being a individual is nothing .
The individual only exists to serve bigger cause. So now they took
her voice tommorow they will take her kidney . Believe me I have
been there.
And the worst thing the communists did is with peoples minds.
If these people had to choose between democracy and totalitarism
The majority would even now choose the latter.It will take generations to change this. And if we keep saying that
this is fuss over nothing it will take even longer.Mateo
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Ross, I would bet that coverage world wide tends to be nationalistic. Given the number of competitions taking place each day, and the limited hours they have to cover them, I can see where broadcast companies would concentrate more on the home team. Also, don't forget many of these athletes compete nationally, and their fans in their home countries naturally want to know how they are doing. There are quite a few althetes there from the Univ. of Tennessee; a night doesn't go by that the local news doesn't inform us how they are doing.
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Yeah Ross, I find that also. Irish TV was concentrating on our rowers
and boxers. Still I was interested to know how they were doing. Ireland
normally does well in the boxing but I can't see a medal coming back this
time around but as they say 'It's the ........Saw a great documentary on the first Post WW2 Olympics held in London.
The place was still crippled after the bombings. One story did however
show how ordinary people can make a difference. To accommodate the
athletes a prisoner of war camp was tidied up. Some of the POWs were
held on to complete maintenance works. At the time the British
Gymnastic Team had just been formed and had no idea what exercises were
involved. It transpired that a German gymnast became the 'real coach'
to the team although his name did not appear on the Team List. But
everyone and their dog knew about itMateo, I agree with your point. You speak from experience and this
reinforces it all the more.Mike
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@mike lucey said:
I did think of that argument Paul, but singers that sell their
services to Movie Studios to be dubbed by actors / actresses
is a little different than this case. The song / singer was
normally noted in the film credits.This was not the case with Yang Peiyi. If this had been done
from the start I would not see hat happened as a problem.They get voice over credits today but in the good old days of Hollywood, it never came out that the on screen singing of Marilyn Monroe, deborah Kerr (The King and I), Natalie Wood (West Side Story), Audrey Hepburn (My Fair Lady) and a number of other actresses with inadequate pipes were dubbed - and uncredited- by the undercover studio singer Marni Nixon.
Could it be the Chinese powers that be are just looking at too many old American flicks?
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@unknownuser said:
Could it be the Chinese powers that be are just looking at too many old American flicks?
Seeing as the desire to want to produce the best show possible is obviously a Communist trait, it's pretty obvious that the Communists took over Hollywood and the American entertainment industry. Milli Vanilli, body doubles, the massive use of cosmetic surgery, CGI, lip-synching. The evidence is overwhelming.
I reckon Senator McCarthy was really just a great guy trying to do a honourable job. It was a fantastic mind-trick that the Communist Hollywood bosses pulled on the world to make him look like a crazed witch-hunter.
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Yes it is an amazing thing for these girls to be competing as young as they are! I'm not denying that in anyway... but there are rules set by the IOC that you are supposed to follow and the Chinese have decided to bend or break (depending on how you see it) them so they can have more golds than the US! IMO that is all they're trying to do! It is easier for a 10 year old diver or gymnast to do all these moves because they're compact and a whole lot more flexible... but it really doesn't matter because we will never know how old those girls really are!
[Edit] Maybe this will help: http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/gymnastics/news/story?id=3534544
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