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    kwistenbiebel
    last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 04:38

    Indeed those shadows on the second image look nice.

    My question: is Artlantis worth the money?
    I mean, 900 euro. Photorealism seems possible with artlantis, but more difficult to achieve than other (cheaper) packages.
    What is your opinion on this Scott?

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      Stinkie
      last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 10:16

      900 euro? That's quite a lot of money. Too much, IMO.

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        solo
        last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 10:26

        Yikes!!

        Thats steep, plus I deal in a weaker currency (US Dollar) so it's way out of the question.

        By the way great render, I believe I have seen a variation of this before. 👍

        http://www.solos-art.com

        If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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          ScottPara
          last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 11:24

          I did an upgrade from Studio 1.2 for $500. I think photrealism is very possible but as with any renderer it all depends on what is put into it. Good textures and time setting up a good lighting rig always help. I will be posting more as I play with artlantis 2 more.

          Some new features are:
          Sky generator
          Poser import (supports animated people)
          exposure controls (exposure, grain, etc.)
          Global illumination (really nice too)

          that is just some of what is new. I have not tried the animated people yet. I just bought poser 7 for this reason as well, but now need to learn that as well. Hopefully soon I can show some more renders and possibly some animations with animated poser content.

          Thanks for all the comments.

          Pete,
          Yes, this is a render that I typically use to do testing in different renderers. This is just a few of many variations. Thanks for the comments.

          Lastly, If anyone can afford it I would suggest looking at Artlatis 2. It is really stable and renders quickly (last render was less that 5 minutes at 2400 pixels wide. Check out their site to see many more great renders.

          Best regards,
          Scott

          Love the fact that some HATE my avatar.....

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            ScottPara
            last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 11:42

            I also wanted to add that there is now a Artlantis forum:

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            I asked for this to be added and Coen and the guys were nice enough to add this. I will be trying to contribute to this forum more and more as I get more done. Please try to add to this forum so we can keep it alive.

            Scott

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              Stinkie
              last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 15:07

              The Artlantis site seems to be unreachable today. So I did a Google search for Artlantis images. The app doesn't seem to be the best choice for photorealistic rendering. I must admit, however, that I did see a couple of very attractive npr renders. ❗ ❗ But 900 €? I'm guessing Artlantis comes with callgirls and cocaine.

              No, seriously, why is it so expensive? I am genuinely wondering, not taking a stab at the Artlantis people.

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                ScottPara
                last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 15:38

                Stinkie,

                Wait for their site to come back online. Most of what you are seeing as far as googled images are from older versions of artlantis. The new version is hands down better than the previous.

                Scott

                Love the fact that some HATE my avatar.....

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                  Anssi
                  last edited by 11 Mar 2008, 18:30

                  If you don't do animations the Render version of ArtLantis is somewhat cheaper. I haven't tried 2.0 yet. They promise it should run on my computer, but in practice I fear that I would need to get a hardware upgrade. 😞

                  Anssi

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                    ScottPara
                    last edited by 12 Mar 2008, 02:13

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                    Scott

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                      Stinkie
                      last edited by 14 Mar 2008, 09:32

                      I was finally able to check the Artlantis gallery. I have to admit there's some very nice images in there. Yet, if I had 900 € to spare (and I just might), I think I wouldn't spend them on Artlantis. I'd rather squander them on Maxwell (easy now, Pete 👿 ), as its output quality is much better, in my opinion. (Indigo offers superior workflow, but - alas! - does not have Multilight. 😢 ) Is this a matter of personal taste and needs? Only to a certain extent, I think.

                      I guess my conclusion is that Artlantis is a tad too pricy for the kind of output it offers. IMO ❗

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                        ScottPara
                        last edited by 14 Mar 2008, 12:27

                        Stinkie,

                        I do agree with you on some points. Maxwell by far is one of the best renderers out there and I do not think anyone will argue that..BUT...waiting as long as you have to for a great render to finish will not always work. I think to be a great artist you have to have many different tools in your bag. I currently use:

                        Sketchup (of course)
                        Cinema 4D
                        Vray
                        Maxwell
                        3d max 2008
                        Artlantis 2

                        All of these are used regularly but for different reasons. I think all of them are very good but all of them definately have draw backs as well. It all depends on the job, what the customer is expecting, and how much time you have. I think right now Arltantis is a great mix of quality and speed. While it may not be as good as Maxwell or Vray, I still think that the vast majority of clients will be very happy with the results. Then with the time saved I can be working on other projects. It is a comprimise and it all depends on the job.

                        Scott

                        Love the fact that some HATE my avatar.....

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                          Stinkie
                          last edited by 14 Mar 2008, 12:52

                          I wholeheartedly agree! All rendering apps have their pros and cons. The same goes for rendering methods. At the moment, I use Podium and Indigo. They're both good at different things. And I'm very seriously considering buying Maxwell - I simply cannot resist Multilight any longer.

                          "It is a comprimise and it all depends on the job." Nothing to add. This is just true.

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                            ScottPara
                            last edited by 14 Mar 2008, 14:15

                            Multi light is what sold me without a doubt.

                            Scott

                            Love the fact that some HATE my avatar.....

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                              Stinkie
                              last edited by 14 Mar 2008, 23:26

                              Bought it. 1038,20 € ❗ Unfortunately, I gotta wait til monday to actually get it. 😢

                              Maxwell's bleedin' expensive - but I feel it's worth it. Export times are ridiculous, though. Them NextLimit boys gotta get together with Whaat. 😉

                              Bed. Now.

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                                Sjaak
                                last edited by 26 Mar 2008, 19:01

                                ArtLantis expensive compared to other render engines??

                                Isn't it about getting a living? In the time a machine is occupied rendering a scene with Maxwell and I can bill my client f.i. 200 Euros for that image ArtLantis rendered 4 - 5 images worth that money.

                                It's not about working hard but working smart.

                                My 2 cts

                                Sjaak

                                Artlantisobjects.com
                                the best resource for artlantis
                                with the best deals

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                                  solo
                                  last edited by 26 Mar 2008, 19:07

                                  Sjaak makes a valid point, I can get a set of 7 images out with decent quality in the time it takes to get Max setup and to render maybe 2 at the same quality using Podium, KT, or Vue. That speed either frees me up for more work or for additional scenes. When time is money I am afraid Maxwell is best suited for the very large Viz companies with render farms and many artists or the perfectionist artist type renderer that does not have time as an obstacle.

                                  http://www.solos-art.com

                                  If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                    Stinkie
                                    last edited by 26 Mar 2008, 19:11

                                    " (...) many artists or the perfectionist artist type renderer that does not have time as an obstacle."

                                    That'd be me. 💚 I see your point, however. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't use Maxwell or Indigo.

                                    Edit: I admit, Sjaak, the way you put it, there's sense in investing in Artlantis.

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                                      Sjaak
                                      last edited by 26 Mar 2008, 19:21

                                      Thanks Guys,

                                      For me it was the main reason to choose ArtLantis.
                                      You can find me more often in the ArtLantis forums.

                                      Abvent Hijacked me for testing 😉

                                      Sjaak

                                      Artlantisobjects.com
                                      the best resource for artlantis
                                      with the best deals

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